What would you do? - Page 3

Mason,

you could always take the replacement pup and sell it.  There's your money !!! 

Or

give the other one back and raise only  the new pup !!!

or

have both pups and hope for the best !!

As a breeder, I tell my puppy buyers, that I also have done my homework, I breed Healthy parents with generations of good hip health.  But  " Shit" happens,  and I am sure the breeder is just as dissappointed that that puppy doesn't have good hips as you are. 

Heaven forbid,  we as breeders  don't have superman Eyes, and can see what's inside this biological creature, when we sell them.  

Dogs are not cars ,washing machines, refrigerators,  ect.....   

You can buy warrantees on mechanical devices,  but it blows my mind that people expect warrantees on God's creatures.  

But none the less, I too go along with it to a degree.  

Wait until your breeder gets back from her show find out when she is having another litter and go from there. 

Good luck

1) As per the so called bashing...it was never my intent to bash anyone...I don't play that way - at least not intentionally. To the person that just educated cyberland on how to 'research' it...well, that was you, it was not my intent.

I am merely a pet owner who had a problem and was told this forum was a good place to go.  Not just by way of the Breeder information and how these things work, but for information on the Severe Bilateral HD. 

What I've learned; is it's a no win situation all around.

1) There is more to this story - not that it's anyones business - not that anyone will care, but I'll explain some anyway.This dog was bought as a family pet,(I'm not whining because he's not going to be some reigning champ on day)  one of our family members is dying of a terminal disease.  The pup and the ill person bonded instantly, it is something to see.  Upon hearing of the pup's diagnosis...well life started sliding on a much faster downward spiral.

Life is not all black and white as some may think.

"What was it someone said?", Oh yes, 'it's a crap shoot'.   The dog was hit by mother nature, as was the family member.  That's  life.  But knowing it does not make it easier to take.  I stuck myself into this Cyberland for a rope to hang on to. Hoping that some miracle message would pop out on how to fix it all. It was not my intent to hurt anyone in the process.  Anyone of the Cyber hard noses out there (I'm surprised by how many there are ) would have your hearts torn out watching the bond between those two and watching them both now waste away.  But that is no one elses problem but our own and I shant go on about it.

3) Perhaps yes, I've been impatient and unfair to the Breeder by wanting to know the outcome of this. After all it's only been 2 weeks.  In my world at this moment, knowing what the outcome will be with this dog (s) is more important than a dog show..but that's my world...everything is relavent in one's own world isn't it? 

Yes, I'm guilty of venting: That is not the Breeders fault and for that I'm ashamed, again I did not intend for anyone else to get hurt in this process - rather I am trying to prevent it.  We (the hearts involved) all want to know what is going on with this dog (dog(s) as we had a heavy load and need time to adjust. I'm told to have patience, (patience is key when a person has time).

So Cyberworld...I do apologize to any that I've offended. Not my intention at all.

To those who were kind and offered sound & caring advice. I extend to you a heartfelt Thank you and wish you all the Best. 

For all you caring/loving dog owners - give em' all a hug...they are something special. Especially the GSD's

Adios

Mason,

I only reiterated info you already provided with regard to (not) naming the breeder.

Hip displasia is not a life sentence for your dog.  He may possibly lead a healthy, long lived life without surgery and without great expense.

I'm very sorry to hear about your ill family member.  I hope they and the dog are happily enjoying each other as long as possible.

I don't know if hip surgery is an option for you - but you might find out the options available to you, so you can fix the problem instead of watching the dog go downhill.  Total hip replacement is of course one option, the most expensive one.  But there are two other  hip surgeries, and at 11 months old your pup may be a good candidate.  One is the TPO - triple pelvic ost.... something - where they break the pelvis, re-align it so the hips are better situated in the sockets, clean out the rough edges if any and put it all back together (no hip replacement) - and the cheapest (but not necessarily worst) option is FHO - femoral head ost.... - where they actually remove the femoral heads, leave them off and the pup develps a "callous" and builds muscle mass around the hip joints to hold them in place - no  joint = no pain.  I believe this surgery must be done before one year old.  It works VERY well for pet puppies to live a long pain-free life and have a normal activity level again. 

Just something for you to think about, it's always nice to have options.  Speak to a board-certified orthopedic vet for more info.

molly

Mason:  You have done nothing wrong, you have not bad mouthed the breeder, and in fact, have gone out of your way to protect the identity of the breeder.  If I were in your shoes I would have done exactly as you are, but I can only hope I would remain as calm and rational as you have.  I can see no reason why your breeder would take offense to anything you have written.

I would do as Molly suggested and speak with a board certified orthopedic surgeon.  One good thing about discovering the disease in a young dog is there are more surgical options, as outlined by Molly. 

Mason,i am wondering if its the same crook who screwed me out of aprox 7500.00.She is in Abottford BC which is close to Vancouver.If it is ,the only thing i can tell you is that you had better try and resolve it WITHOUT giving her a reason to void your contract.That scum stalled me for almost 1 year even after sending her vet all kinds of medical proof.She then refused to take the dog back due to no room,only to find out later she was going to a dog show and thats why she had no room.My situation was the same PLUS severe temperment problems.I had several bites within my household.only to be told by her that it was all my fault.Its funny how my 2 boys are just fine though now.When i had NO CHOICE but to put the poor  little guy down,she immediatly told me that i voided my contract by doing so as if we are talking about a car or something.I also did not come out and post her name yet because i am trying to get some legal help that has been taking forever with me living in Ontario.I feel for you.I hope you have better luck than me.Dont let that crook manipulate and blame you.I cant wait till im in the position where i could plaster here name EVERYWHERE.Good luck with your little guy and i hope you resolve this.

bump.   :)

Mason,i forgot to mention that she does have alot of people on this particular site that like to kiss you know what so dont be shocked if these PARTICULAR FEW jump in on her defense.I hope they never have to see the scumbag side of her 1 day cause they will realize she was NEVER anyones friend.I have received so much info on this crook washed up breeder that it is totally shocking that she is still in business.I can only imagine the poor pet people she screws over that we never hear about.It would be something if i could convince a couple friends of mine to travel to Abottsford BC with there news cameras and film her and her kennel but i have to find a way to present it to there producers from what i have been told.At least this would save alot of people a big heartache.Anyway again good luck with your little guy and also good luck with the person that is ill.I had not read that part last night when i was on here cause it pissed me off that she screwed over someone else ONCE AGAIN.I hope there is a way this person with the sickness can get better.

I reread Masons last post and i dont think this poor guy is even going to read the rest of the responses.I cant beleive this breeder has no heart especially in this type of situation but then again look at who we're talking about.Its to bad this guy or girl will probably never even come to this PDB anymore.All he was looking for was a word of advice and probably someone to guide him through this terrible ordeal.I wish i would of come home earlier so that i may of been able to speak to them further.

I had one business deal with the breeder several years ago that left a bad taste in my mouth.  I'll never darken her door again.  I am not her supporter by any means.  My responses are based on pet people and their ideas about hip guarantees...nothing to do with the individual breeder.  Honestly I was hoping it was I who simply just didn't get it.  I'd like enlightenment if someone can share with me why if two parties agree on something, should one party insist on something else and then be mad when the other party wants to stick to the original agreement? 

Life is certainly not black and white and there should be room to move beyond guarantees and contracts, especially if there is a specific situation one could not foresee.  Hip displasia is something known in the breed to the point most breeders offer guarantees.  With ANY breeding, even if  repeated many times before with 100% normal hips, there is the potential for the dog to develop hip displasia.

Over the years having done rescue as well as my own breedings I've only ever seen 1 dog whose hips status required intervention at a young age.  Each case is individual to that specific dog.  The good news is that in *most* cases HD is not a critical finding for the long term health of a dog. 

I hope Mason and his loved ones enjoy their dog for many years to come.  I also hope the knowledge of his potential is comforting.