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Anyone whos regularly sets an e-collar at the maximum for routine training is an ignorant asshole (and deserves to be bitten), IMO, and has a problem with "anger management".

Higher levels of stimulation are only warranted when a dog "blows the handler off" and ignores commands to come when called. Coming on command when called can save a dog's life or certainly keep him out of harm's way.

As sueincc has posted, one does need to train with someone reputable and skilled in the use of an e-collar. I trained privately with Jim Dobbs for a long time. Initially, I let him handle the remote and trusted his judgement.

Also, one must select an e-collar (not cheap) that offers a high degree of sensitivity in setting  the levels of stimulation.

FYI, there are several Yahoo groups for e-collar training.

The dog saw that as unfair and bit the handler back. The dog probably would have done the same, had it been an unfair correction with the pinch or choke. Unfair is unfair, e-collar or not. Some dogs don't go for that kinda cranking.

"Weezie" is absolutly correct on everything she has said.

Triodegirl:  One of the saddest things all of us must deal with are people who have no business calling themselves dog trainers or dog handlers.  They have no compassion, much less love, for the dogs, and only see them as a "means to an end" ,  a paycheck, and/or ego boosters.  I think these people take all their problems out on their poor dogs.  Most likely that guy was looking to hurt the dog, spoiling for a fight, and if it had not been with the ecollar it would have been with his boot.

I do know many people who are very skilled with ecollars and always use the lowest setting possible to achieve the desired result.  I see it used as a training aid, not as a way to punish a dog.

Apparently you know nothing of the new face of MS-13; they have recruited on college campuses both north and south of the Mason-Dixon line...the fresh crop of gangsters look like (or may be) graduates of the Harvard School of Business, live in (multi) million $$$ homes. They keep PPD's that are consistent with the image of an affluent suburban or rural professional, and pit bulls are a fast way to get on the radar of the law enforcement radar in a gated community. Give you one guess as to their preference in highly effective PPD's might be...

Apparently I don't.  The only MS13 I have seen, are brutal, vicious, thugs.  The ones I run into, are on the opposite ends of the spectrum from The Harvard School of Business.  Then again, I am in the middle of miles and miles of farmland. I live in a big old farmhouse, far away from any million dollar homes.

???  I am pretty sure this was video taken of competitors practicing for the Schutzhund Nationals in Mexico.  These dogs are on par with dogs of any other country and better than many.  This is not something associated with gang activity any more than the dogs competing at the national level in the USA are used to guard drug houses here in the states.

I haven't used an ecollar on a dog anywhere but their neck (and I always hand test them on myself to assure they are working properly) , but I have used a leash looped around the waist dogs who have a  particularly hard time with stand. I certainly don't hurt them with either. I am unfamiliar with the method posted here, and would probably not be interested in trying it myself, but those "ignorant people that call themselves dog trainers" need to wake up and realize there are many kinds of dogs, and many ways to train them, it isn't wrong just because its unfamiliar.