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by LMH on 28 February 2008 - 18:02

Two Moons---Keeping things to oneself is probably the smartest move toward self preservation that I can think of ...... Would that I could. Something you, yourself, might ponder. And....(LOL)..."I don't mean that in a bad way," belies a sense of genuine inquiry. Can it, pal. I don't have the time or interest to discover whether you're 'up' or 'down' right now. (LOL) My question was to CaptMike and Speak. They can respond or not. You've already said plenty. I just want to understand them.................You I get. (LOL)

by Two Moons on 28 February 2008 - 23:02

Up or down I am consistant on many of my views, yet I never close my mind to new idea's.

I may seem like a know it all at times but I'm no fool. I know my limitations.

I was only curious as to what your advice would be.

You are saying more than you type, this also is curious.

I dont think you know me as well as you think you do.

Since I have already said plenty I shall move on LMH.

by Speaknow on 29 February 2008 - 00:02

Hi Two Moons and LMH, The damned bitch breaks my heart! Basically it’s a good animal and desperate to please but often it just can’t. If I’m close by, given a command, she’ll shake, shiver and shake just trying to comply (simply owns an immense prey drive as I see it, and seemingly fearless – only one that will jump a high garden wall as if it didn’t exist!) You can see her literally pleading for help in doing the right thing! Funny thing is, I prefer a bit of aloofness but this one, toward me anyway, is in fact overly affectionate! (Pretty antagonistic toward any strangers that come near though.) After my last encounter with authorities, yes, the thought of having it put down crossed my mind a few times (I hate e-collars but it’s the only animal I’ve used it on. Also one I didn’t raise from birth; now a bit over two rears old.) The last incident involved two elderly women on adjacent road each walking a leashed dog (at least forty yards away). With gate slightly ajar it went after them before I could react. By the time I got there (a hell of a tangled furore!) it had already hurt both dogs (nothing too serious but one did have medical help, with women badly shaken – one crying!) A few weeks back it killed the neighbor’s ancient cat – couldn’t prevent it – ended up burying the cat on the quiet! It’s also a question of giving it decent life. I try to give all of them plenty of ‘quality time’ outside of kennels, including off the property, but it tears into the others at slightest provocation. At the moment it is sort of a wait and see situation.

by Two Moons on 29 February 2008 - 06:02

Speaknow,

My two year old female is very hard on anything with four legs, especially cats.. She wont be getting her good citizen award.

She isnt harmful to my other dogs, she never draws blood but she is the alpha and never lets them forget it. At least she is ok with pups and younger dogs. If she's on the run, usually after a deer or a stray dog she will not respond to me. I too am considering a shock collar. Its easy to do harm with one but I dont know what else would stop her charge's.

She has no problem with people and I trust her in that respect. She hasnt been taught an protection yet. I know she's protective but she doesnt react the same with people as she does with the four legged fare.

Now your dog, you havent said anything about your dog going after people, only being antagonistic. At least thats what I read. Do you really feel she might go after people?

The dog I had left no doubt, she was gonna bite my wife or any other woman who got to close. And if she got loose there would be no way to control her. I think your dog could be trained and controlled from what you have written.

I think you must be sure she is secure in the meantime. Post a new thread and see if some of these (trainers) have some advice for you. I dont see you needing to put this dog down, only train or maybe sell to someone who can handle the training of a dog like this.

Try a posting.

Brent.

by steve1 on 29 February 2008 - 06:02

I find it very strange that such an incident can get the Dog and its owners on Television for frightening and Biting other innocent people

To me it is bizzare and unetghical , There are some strange ways over there in your country, if all it takes to get on the Television is to get a dog go out and bite strangers

What should have happened is to really hit trhe owners of such a dog really hard in the wallet. that will stop the problem right away, Reading that rubbish did not impress me

by Speaknow on 29 February 2008 - 08:02

Thanks Brent, Understand problem with your two-year-old and going after deer etc without responding. I have a bit of a similar problem when I take them tracking on my own but more experienced ones are now fairly reliable. The problem bitch puts up a heck of an act with strangers entering the property (doesn’t touch them physically though) but isn’t actually all that bad that way elsewhere. Very much the alpha – even tries to lord it over the older bitches. Despite official warnings I really haven’t the slightest intention of putting her down (if I knew her to be inherently mean it be different, but she simply isn’t). Still relatively young and I’m spending presently a lot of time just with her, and pretty sure I can turn her around, given time that is. It’s the interim that worries – her pulling down some running kid etc when least expected. Another incident like the last and legally I wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on!

by LMH on 29 February 2008 - 08:02

Speak--I wonder sometimes how much these threads affect the decision making processes of us all. It's really late here....just got in....and am responding off the cuff here. As to your girl---Believe it's more an 'adjust and see' proposition, rather than a "wait and see" situation. I'd venture to guess as she charged out the gate, the primary target was the dogs, not the elderly ladies. God....I hate that excessive prey drive. Horribly overrated. (LOL) I have one here who can also be quite a handful. I'm always telling him he has no drive containment. The shaking, shivering adjectives might make me hesitate using that E-collar. Only make her jumpier. Actually, you threw me for a loop...discussing the dog in detail. I can hardly keep my eyes open, but just wanted to say....I understand your concerns, but based on your comments, I wouldn't be thinking about putting her down. I'd be silently cursing from time to time....and wishing she was an easier dog. No one wants those extra steps of responsibility. I'll think on it some more, and maybe I can relay some stories so you don't feel so lost. (LOL)

by Speaknow on 29 February 2008 - 09:02

You probably posted without seeing my last one, LMH. Cursing is the word all right! Didn't really mean to make a big issue out of it but writing it down helped to mentally clarify the thing. I already stopped with the e-collar – it wasn’t helping. It simply needs time and patience. You’re right about the poor dears – they only got in the way. I’ve given that a fair bit of thought since actually - not trying to pass the blame, but can’t help but think that if instead of both mindlessly twirling about, leashes and all, uselessly trying to pull their dogs away, they’d simply stood their ground and given the bitch a bit of a whack or whatever, the outcome might have been quite different. But there you are.

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