Adverse Reaction to Promeris (Flea Control) - Page 3

Ya KJMagan, I know we are. The proof is on the internet if you care enough and can handle it. It's a Corporate world ya know. Depopulation has to be a high profit. Or maybe a profitable decline. I guess the Committee of 300 is laughing at the comedy show right now. But not everyone is totally stupid.

Be cautious with garlic and other alliums (onions, shallots, etc.):  they can cause anemia.  Cats are particularly sensitive, but dogs can get it too.  If you are feeding garlic to your dogs, I would suggest getting them checked for anemia every now and then.  It's a very easy test and only requires a few drops of blood.  My experience has been that some individuals are more sensitive than others, but it could be that the "sensitive" ones were actually getting a higher dose than the owners said.

My experience has been that garlic does not work for fleas (although vaccuuming the sleeping areas, regular baths and combing does help a lot), but some folks swear by it.  I would definitely suggest Advantage or Frontline for flea-allergic pets.  The only times I have had problems with those were when they were not applied correctly (it can be tricky in fluffy dogs) and one dog who was allergic to the flea product as well as the fleas.

Unfortunately, lemon juice won't work for Demodex either.  However, many dogs *do* "grow out" of their Demodex eventually, and there are several effective treatments that can be used to speed this along and prevent secondary infections..  A dog should not be put down for Demodex unless it has developed uncontrollable secondary infections - I have only heard of this once and it was in a Sharpei.  Of course, dogs with Demodex should not be bred, but I'm sure you all know that.  Lemon juice is at least harmless but I knew one person that tried to treat the Demodex with turpentine (turpentine?!?!), so please use common sense when trying "folk remedies."

Also be careful with the cheap "spot on" products that use organophosphate and pyrethrin insecticides. These are basically concentrated forms of the old flea sprays and flea dips, and can be somewhat toxic to dogs... and some are deadly for cats!

It's not unusual for a new product to be introduced and then pulled when reports of problems start coming in.  Sometimes these things don't show up in laboratory testing, and it's not always the company's fault (sometimes it is - sometimes it isn't.).  The best thing is to try not to be the first one to try a new medication, if the old ones are working OK for you.

Drace, ya wanna tell us just why the "inert" chemicals are NOT listed by the Manufactures. maybe telling us when a chemical is banned as a "active" they switch and list it as "inert" ? How about telling why the organophospates are the number one poison for dogs and cats through these "chemical" treatments, yet still not listed by the Manufactures ? Ohhh, it's switched to an "inert", sorry ! The blood doesn't lie. Actually Chlorphrifos is banned due to children being subject to brain and nervous system damage through exposure. Uness of course your NOT in the USA. Either place, the Chemical Companies don't list trade secrets, hence the reason "inerts" are not listed and never will be...

Everyone go and look at your box ... your "inerts" are prolly 75% - 85% and those are the trademark secrets NOT required to be listed. The active's really are just fillers.

To each his own I guess ... I prefer the garlic and lemon oil, and it does work. Not the money or compromised health of my family animals or human child.  

Just wondering Drace.   

I find it absolutely mind boggling that you would be so ignorant as to spend your time complaining on a public blog about a product that you profoundly misused, or misunderstood.  Anytime you use a topically applied insecticide, caution should be used.  You don't spray raid on your kitchen counter and then lick it do you?  And garlic, garlic is great, and was also mis used in the late 1800's as a poison, dipped arrows and painted swords used to enter the bloodstream, and aid in death.  Anything, any chemical product, or even natural product for example, if not used with its intended purpose, strictly adhering to the instructions, and understanding the full nature of the product can be dangerous.  These symptoms, these irritating aggrivating symptoms, are temporary, and only happen if the product, specifically the chemical amitraz, is ingested.  This isn't some sort of pharmaceutical company consperacy to hurt you or your pets.  You are applying an INSECTICIDE to your animal.  Just like vaccinations and other drugs, hence all the human drug commercials, There can always be side effects, there can always be reaction.  What I don't appreciate is how people can publically run a name, a product, a company, a business, or even a person for that matter, into the ground - over the internet, on a "blog" or "message board", all because they don't understand why.  Why did this happen?  What caused this?  Don't jump to conclusions about how this evil product poisoned your dog and your super vet didn't get it either.  Veterinarians are not Superpowerful, all knowing individuals.  They may not fully understand the complications or adverse effects of a brand new product or drug either.  So, I guess my point is, don't jump to conclusions and burn the witches at the stake.  Do some research.  And if your vet you have used for twenty years, graduated from vet school thirty years ago, then he/she may not be completely up to speed on what the appropriate - safe uses are for these products.  Furthermore, this product is actually governed by the EPA.  It can't hurt people, water, or our environment in a devastating way.  And if you have questions, I would suggest contacting the manufacturer directly, before making all these vague and inaccurate judgements.  I'm soooo sick of people jumping to conclusions without all the facts, and litigation crazy.  Find out the truth before you start ranting on and on - on a public form of media.  And folks....this be true as well....don't believe all the hype you read on the internet - go to the source.

A knowledgable individual, who's been in the veterinary industry for over 12 years.  Currently have three dogs- and would never ever do anything to harm them.

The dog product was not available late summer or early fall 2007........it was not released until late November 2007 so you might be confusing it with something else..........

In school we learned a lot about the government agencies and I know for a fact that the inert ingredients, while proprietary, have to be safe for the environment hence why they are regulated by the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). Basically if the residuals of the product were to be disposed of incorrectly, lets stay tossed into a stream, the company has to prove that it will not affect the environment. I suggest you do your research before bashing products you nothing about. 

Expediency is the magic word. Manufacturers can pick and choose, "mix and match" what ever they want at free will, all based on market conditions and or availability. Hutton said himself after the "inert"(s) were questioned by numerous offsite toxicologists, they can use whatever they "think is safe". I personally find it hard to understand why manufacturers think rival manufacturers cannot identify the "inerts" while useing upgraded laboratory equipment especially with nosey University Students. Why not just list the "inert"(s) on the label for all to see ?

Also, EPA get's limited information about "inert"(s) from the manufactures at free will, and I might add there is NO requirement for them to do so. Even if a mandate through the OSH Act is approved for that Manufacturer to list the MSDS, it is always a partial list or converted to "mixtures". The sad incident with Trimper proved this.

In late 2001 NCAP and a hundred or so Universities (Pennsylvania included) petitioned EPA to list all "inert"(s) on the labels for public view. They have yet to make a simple decision. Facts are facts my friend, it's up to the individual user of the product to determine what is safe and what is not.

Besides EPA tests for short-term effects and lethal doses on what the manufacturers openly submit, all others including "inert"(s) are concidered "minimal" or chemical name not available.

If ya wanna call this a bash feel free ...

My dog has had an adverse reaction to this product.  I own two pudelpointers(versitile hunting dogs).  I applied the product with warning from my vet that it smells.  I applied outside, then took them for their morning walk. The dogs were normal until the evening when my younger dog(15months) started wobbling around like he was drunk.  We called our vet on his emergency line.  He immediately called us back and said that "jack" might have ingested some and that he will probably sleep it off.  The vet was very concerned and I will contact him this AM when he gets in.  "jack" feels better this AM; but is not 100%.  My older pudelpointer is unaffected.  The stuff still smells bad this AM.  It has not dried yet and I don't even want to touch my dogs.  Yes, my puppy "might" have ingested it; but we are not sure.  I am returning this product to my vet, which he offered to do right away and switch back to Frontline which I have used for years with no problems.  I am new on this forum; but thought that I should post after reading all the other posts in this thread.  This is not and OVEREACTION as stated by a previous poster.  I am not bashing the product.  I simply have stated the facts of what has just occurred and is occurring right now.  I do feel that there are problems with this product and that pet owners should know that there is obvious risk in using it. 

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This is a reply to doglover2, I normally have better things to do than blog, but I will spend my time  tonight  to reply to you. If this  post saves 1 pet and its owner the experience I had then I consider it time well spent.I am not bashing my vet he is wonderful. But within 2 hours of applying Promeris to the back of my dogs neck she became disoriented and  began stumbling.  She had NOT licked the back of her neck. I bathed her immedialty upon presentation of symptons. Over the next few hours she began seizing  which she does not have a history of. She had to be taken to the vet (who came in on a Sunday afternoon to meet me) me and was immediatly rebathed and  monitored closely and given IV fluids for  approximately 36 hours. My wonderful vet actually took her home with him and cont the IVF and monitoring. He did not charge me for all of his time and efforts.He did call the company and they said it sounded like an overdose, which  by the way was correct for her weight by their charts.

I am NOT bashing my vet. The product obviously has problems and if people do not report it it will not be corrected and pets will continue to have adverse reactions and possibly death. It is terrible to watch this happen to any animal. I would make one last comment but you may consider it a bash, I hope the  stock has gone done in this company due to the posts about their product because hopefully it means less pets are at risk. (Sorry for yor loss)