Opinions on Xray - Page 3

Sorry for the confusion, my fault. It was SchHBabe who said her dog was prelimed normal at 12 months, hips and elbows, but failed to get a number at 24 months. That might be a dog worthwhile xraying again.

Renofan didn't say whether or not her dog was xrayed before.

IMO ....Ball is not covered enough in the socket. The xray seems alittle scewed, if you look at the knees. You could have them retaken by another Vet or try Pennhip.

For Ceph -

Here is a comparison xray so you can see the difference:

This dog OFA'd Good and when Pennhip'd (at 10 months) came back .32/.36 which is 90% for his breed (ACDs).

I did not have Molly xrayed at 12 months.  She is also a pet, so not an option to return or give away, it would not have mattered to me if she failed at 12 months or 2.  I simply waited until 2 since it was an ofa requirement.  I was planning on sending her xrays to both ofa and sv.  I only started competing in ob a few years ago and just started schutzhund training with Molly in August of 2007.  We are beginners, but Molly's seems to enjoy it.  I am receiving conflicting information regarding continuing to train her.  Some say - she does not know - so keep training and modify it if and when it begins to bother her and some are saying stop training immediately.  My dogs live in the house - I currently have 3, of which 2 are dysplatic and the one with good hips has no drive and does not have a suitable temp for schutzhund.  I have to seriously consider if I have the time, energy or to be honest the heart to get another gsd puppy and start again.  Schbabe I admire you for jumping in and trying again.  Molly has a great temperment and has been a dream to train with.  None of my other dogs picked things up so easily, so it will be a huge disappointment if her career is also cut short by this.  I would never risk her health, but I don't want to treat her with kid gloves and stop doing things she enjoys because I am afraid for her. 

I had also emailed Molly's  xrays to her breeder in belgium.  Not to complain but because I valued her opinion.  She sent them to her vet - and you guys are right on again.  The vet said - definately hd, etc and will not receive an acceptable rating.  This breeder has been honest and straight forward and has kept in touch for the past years on Molly's progress and has shared with me the progress of her dam and siblings.  We had no contract - so she owes me nothing, but was kind enough to offer me a pup from a future litter.  It is nice to know for all the bad stories we see about breeders on this board - there are just as many good ones out there.  Her kindness is truly appreciated and just helps to know that she is almost as disappointed as I am.

I decided to mail in the xrays anyway - not because I expect a passing rating, but I wonder how accurate hd statistics can be if we don't send in the failures.  This is the second time my vet said don't bother mailing these xrays in as they won't pass.  I think they should be encouraging us to send them in so that we can begin to get accurate statistics. 

Thanks again everyone. 

Cheryl

Hi Renofan, and thank you for sharing your experience with us, i can imagine how disappointed you must be with the results of the x rays.  In the U.K x rays can be submitted at 12 months of age for scoring. I wonder just how many would pass as acceptable when x rayed 12 months down the line, upon nearing breeding age. Just my opinion, but i think if somebody chooses to have their dog x rayed, they should submit them for grading/scoring, and not consign a bad set of x rays to the dustbin. I wonder how many hidden x rays there are and how it affects the breed average score/grading overall.

I owned a severly dysplastic dog, out of two excellent dogs, so it does happen, but he led an active and full life, until the age of ten. I think wrapping a dysplastic dog in cotton wool is the wrong way to go, you should rely on your own judgement, how well you know your dog, and let the dog tell you when his quality of life is good or bad.  I always kept my boy active and lean, and i like to think he led a good life. As they say, dont throw the baby out with the bath water! Good luck with your dog, you sound like a very caring person and im sure you will manage to give her a full and happy life.

Cheryl, I think  you are to be commended for submitting Molly's xrays to OFA and the SV.  You are looking at the big  picture.

I think that Molly can do anything she wants and you can continue her training. I've had dogs with worse hips that never took a lame step. If she ever does have problems with her hips, she will let you know and you can adjust her acitivity level accordingly.   Good luck with her. 

I know what you mean about so many dogs with bad hips. happened to me too with another breed. I got fed up and bought a mature bitch with an OFA number since I wanted to breed.

I think that you should continue her training as well, it can be a great learning experience for you until you are ready for another pup.  If Molly decides that it's too much for her, you will know. 

Isn't there a title that you can get through USCA that just entails tracking and protection?  ie: if the height of the jumps is too much for her kind of thing.

I know that the Schutzhund A is Obedience and Protection.  Correct me if I'm wrong on this one.  :)

Hi all:

Just wanted to give everyone the official ofa results.  No surprise - Molly came back - severe hd, with findings of subluxation, remodeling of femoral head/neck, osteoarthitis/degenerative joint disease and shallow acetabula.  So again - you guys are spot on with your xray interpretations.  I still have to mail a set to the sv, just haven't gotten back to the post office yet and had wanted my personal vet to see them before sending them in.

This is the first time I have I submitted bad had hip results to ofa, so have a question.  Since they state - "consensus of evaluations of pelvic phenotype with respect tohip dysplasia.  These categories are not eligible for an ofa number".  So my question is, since I checked it was ok to release this information - where would someone go to see it?  Again, not that I would ever breed a dog with these type of results, but for future reference wanted to know where this would appear?  Does it appear without a number, just based on her akc number?  Hope the question is clear,

Cheryl

It will go on the OFA websit along with her registered name and registration number. There, people can look it up for future referance. Sorry about your dog. I wish you both the best!