Isnt this a little much for line breeding? - Page 3

I cant believe this dog is a champion...look at the ear set....not to mention he is a WAY to angulated for my liking.. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/528996.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/527359.html This one looks like a Peacock. lol I do hate when they stack this way. :( We had a client in our grooming shop come in with a 10 yr. old retired AM. show bitch that looked just aweful when she walked. It looked like her back was broken. :( The kennel she came from breeds for angleation. :(

CH Stretched to the Hilt and VA CH Can't Believe I Don't Trip I have a litter out of these 2 great parents, no OFA's and pups are gauranteed to look painful. Just in time for X-mas. A steal at $3000 a pup. Taking deposits of $1500 right now. Hurry these pups wont last. (no really I mean it, they wont make it to age 5)

I'm sending you a deposit for the pick bitch. You do take checks, right?

I absolutly take checks Blitzen. I'll even ship the pup with a IOU if you can't send a check. You can pay me whenever you get around to it. This post will be our proof of reciept.

Let take a look at some of the dog's (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/527359.html) in the "peacock"'s illustrious pedigree: (1) CH Leiter's Excalibur--suffered ED (I believe, fragmented coronoid process). (2) CH Nike Clayfield Andretti--died young (I believe, toxic gut syndrome--TGS). This was the dog responsible for activating AKC's DNA testing program. Seems that some litters allegedly sired by this dog were instead sired by one of his sons. (3) Cobert's Sirocco Of Windigail--wore a pacemaker--died when it malfunctioned or fell out. (4) CH Karagin's Crusader--died young of toxic gut syndrome. (5) CH Covy Tucker Hill's Durango--died young. I owned the litter sister to his dam (Covy Tucker Hill's Turtle Dove) who produced both EPI and TGS. Hey, I'm on a roll--I could go on all night.

What can you tell us on Dallas' ancestors? (We already know that Dallas died at the age of 9, and I think it was sudden and unexpected. I think Sunshine said he was herding sheep for his HIC the previous summer, and looked really good.) http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/509439.html

Look, we still have problems--a few generations back. (1) Eko-lan's Paladen was said to have had a "pancreas problem". His daughter (mine--Covy-Tucker Hill's Talisman) produced EPI and TGS. (2) When I bred a granddaughter of Lakeside's Gilligan's Island to the Paladen son, Doppelt Tay's Hawkeye, I had EPI and TGS in the same litter. (3) Langenau's Watson died very young--either bloat or, more likely, TGS. Watson was the sire of the Hawkeye litter from a Gilligan daughter (also had EPI)--this litter had EPI and TGS. (4) CH Karagin's Crusader--died young of toxic gut syndrome. (5) Impulse--I has a son of his, Dolmar's Legacy, with fragmented coronoid process and definite symptoms of EPI when I returned him to his breeder. Legacy produced EPI and FCP. (6) Lakeside's Gilligan's Island died at the age of 3--reportedly from bloat. His younger brother Harrigan died young--everyone said bloat--owner said "renal failure". Harrigan's sister Halo was the dam of my Paladen daughter, Covy-Tucker Hill's Talisman (sister to Turtle Dove--dam of Durango, who was the sire of Crusader) who produced EPI and TGS. (7) Zeto and Zeus of Fran-Jo (owned by Jimmy Moses)--my Zeus son, Covy's Pan of Tucker Hill (out of Covy's Felita of Tucker Hill--a Gilligan daughter) had OCD of the shoulder and produced TGS. A linebreeding on Pan produced EPI and TGS. Isn't this brief statement damning enough?

Isn't this brief statement damning enough? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So, I should take my pup out and shoot her already, just because Dallas is her grand-daddy? Pedigrees never give this sort of info. That's why I'm asking. What exactly is a fragmented coronoid process? And what is OCD of the shoulder? In human medicine (I'm a nurse) OCD stands for Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, but I doubt that's the case here... :P

"So, I should take my pup out and shoot her already, just because Dallas is her grand-daddy?" *********************************************************************************************** No, pedigrees tell little. This is why I take some satisfaction in personally knowing six generations (on this side of the pond) of the same family of "German" GSD's. However, I imagine that there are some AKC folks that would like to shoot me! Sunsilver, there are 3 kinds of elbow dysplasia: ununited anconeal process, fragmented coronoid process, and degenerative joint disease (essentially a form of OCD). Oh yeah, OCD is "osteochondritis dessicans" (sometimes referred to in the literature as "osteochondrosis"). I suggest that you do some Google searches for ED (no, not "erectile dysfunction", in your human lingo), OCD, and perhaps visit the OFA website. Just love your pup, train her, avoid vaccinations, and consider a raw diet.