How to get a better heel/fuss/Au pied - Page 3

The problem began when you started by holding the ball in your right hand up by your shoulder. I tried to explain this. Now by holding the ball behind your back, the dog knows where it is and is forging and crowding to go around the right side of your body. He has been continually rewarded from the right hand and being out of position.

If you hold the leash in your right hand and reward with the left or from the left armpit, that will help. I know it is hard to reward from the left as he is dominant and demanding and will take it or bite your arm for it. I know because he did it with me. He is alot of dog and only 14 months old. It is a behaviour that has been on-going and rewarded. He is growing up and getting full of himself so it is going to be hard to fix.

I am not a big fan of gimmicks like using a wall , although I have seen it work, it would take hundred and hundreds of reps to fix it. The only way to get it right is to use handler skills to get him in position and only reward for the correct position. Stop trying to do it in motion. You have to teach the dog to swing his ass to the left. Start in a stationary heel position. Grab his chock collar with your left hand by turning your hand. Rotate your hand outward to the left , then take a quarter step to your right. so If you are facing 12 o'clock you take a backwards step and end up facing 10 o'clock.  the dog should swing his ass into postion and then you reward. It is going to be hard because he is so big and is going to start challenging you. Believe me I know.

Good luck.

ADRIAN LEDDA CORRECTED ONE ON  MY PUPS BY WORKING ON THE SIT ALONE....HE HAD HIM RETURN A FETCH AND SIT DIRECTLY IN FRONT   ,,,,IF SLOPPY OR OFF HIPPED   HE TOOK ONE STEP BACK AND MOTIONED DOG TO  COME FORWARD TO HIM....CLOSE UP ALSO,,,   AND CONTINUE TO STEP BACK AND DOG FORWARD INTO THE CROTCH   ....   ....SITZ AND SITZ RIGHT WAS THE NEXT COMMAND...REWARD FOR THE CORRECT SIT...HE WORKED ON THE SIT ALONE UNTIL HE DID IT 600 TIMES   THATS A COUPLE OF WEEK WORTH OF WORKING ON THE PROBLEM...

iN HIS OPIONION   IF YOU CORRECT THE LITTLE FAULT AND WORK IT SEPERATE , EARLY, WHICH BADEN IS YOUNG  YOU GET BETTER JOB AND QUICKER RESULTS......IT WORKED ON kRISHI.......

4pack,

There are great suggestions here but isn't always worth applying on certain dogs. There are as many different fixes as there are dogs, and each one is not always applicable to a particular dog. Have you discussed this with your Trainer/Training Director? That might be the road you want to follow, especially since you need an extra set of eyes. Please, do not use the cumpulsion swing as GARD suggests at this time. Good luck!!

Here we go. If I say left, someone else says right.

Why would I know what the dogs issues are,  what casued them, or how to fix them? Shit I only trained the dog for the last year, and saw what mistakes were made in the OB, hell what do I know?

I didn't know you had joined a club and committed to a trainer 4pack? Let's see take a dog already started, titled. or trained. Tell everyone what mistakes were made by the previous trainer, finish the dog up or change venues, and take credit for the dog. I have seen trainers do that before.

Didn't only one of the outside trainers that worked your dog say anything negative about him? The best French ring decoy in France said your dog was good. One of the best SCH trainers in the area said he was one of the best young dogs he has seen in awile. One of the best French ring trainers in the area really liked him. I'll bet in 6-8 months he'll be great.

Doesn't post for months until you start asking questions and input from other people. God forbid, you better not do that.

I recommend you buy Ivan's book Advanced Shutzhund, The technuiqe I described is exactly what is in his book for solving your exact problem. Who knows maybe there are better trainers than Ivan out there?

I heard someone was putting aggression into your dog. Baden is a big dominant boy. I remember you telling me something about the lady with the big bulldog. If you keep going down the road you are going there is a VERY strong possibility that will be you.

Good trainers train for what is best for the dog and the client. Not what makes them look good out on the trial field.

Oh you mean that book you have and never got back from your brother? Must not be that good or you would have thrown it at me by now.

Yea we are working on the aggression some, as per the breeder but what would he know right? I'm a fully functional adult and will ask what I want, when I want, from whoever I want. I know that peeves some people but I don't see the harm in asking a question on a dog board to help stimulate "real" conversation.

As for "Good trainers train for what is best for the dog and the client. Not what makes them look good out on the trial field." Heed your own words.

Last post was not directed at you 4pack. Read between the lines.

Sometimes it takes awhile for people to identify other people's agendas, what their motivation is, and who is trying to provide advice that is in someone's best interest. Even when they have seen it and it is right there in front of their face.

Sometimes it takes awhile for people to just realize they can't help, it's out of their hands, and not their problem anymore.

come on kids, let's get along.

I know who you were directing it at, your right, not your problem anymore. EVERYONE has their own agendas. I don't give 2 shits about the next guys. I focus on my own wants and needs. My dog is my priority and my satisfaction comes second to that. What the trainer/trainers get out of their piece, is up to them. I pay for training, that's what trainers usually ask for. Does my dog have to wear a sign at all times "Trained by ...."? I don't think so. My dog is only one of hundreds, why do you want to point him out as the "example"?

Frankly I give more credit to the dog himself and his breeder, than anyone else including myself.

Leave me and my dog out of your pissing match please! I'll not have anyone tell me I can't read or ask questions about training, here or in any book. Last I checked, asking questions wasn't a direct insult to anyone. I'm one of those people who likes to gather information before putting full stock in anything.

Don,

Like I said that post was not totally directed at 4pack.

I am sure you would be one of the first people to tell someone to chose their trainer wisely. Find out their accomplishments, do they actively train with other trainers, talk to people who have trained with them, maybe find out how many people have discontinued training with them and why.

I am sure you have run accross a trainer or two who is more concerned with bad mouthing other trainers and getting another title under their belt; often to the detriment of the dog/handler team.

Lot more here than meets the eye.

I really hope everyone is successful in their dog training goals, who ever they train with. The saftey of the dog, handler, and people who come into contact with the dog has always been my first priority.

Gard

I honestly thought that was directed to people other than 4pack.  I thought she got that wrong. 

As to finding good trainers, that is essential.  I surround myself with people that have a great deal of knowledge and experience.  That doesn't mean that they know everything, but it helps when you have a good group of knowledge that can work through any situation.  There is a lot you can learn on your own, but you cant do it all on your own.

I train with people that have been on multiple world teams and I don't listen to everything that they suggest.  I listen to much, but not all.  You have to decifer what is best for you and your dog and nobody knows that as well as you and your trainer.

When I first read this thread, I thought you were probably rewarding from your right and probably doing it while he was not correct. I also came up with the same solutions already mentioned.  I thought, why post it when it has already been said and by someone that has personally seen the dog.