Best e-collar for training? - Page 3

So you are saying dog's don't refuse, they were merely taught incorrectly?

What is a dog doing when it goes around all 6 blinds when no helper is present, but same dog goes from blind 4 to blind 6 when helper is in blind 6?

In my opinion that is willful.

Kyle

ps I apoligize to the group for being way off from the original topic.

Your opinion is welcome and appreciated. I have German Shepherd dogs and horses. The dogs, of course, with strong herding instinct, want to chase the horses. I have been told several times to buy and use an E-collar to get one particular 3 year old male dog to quit chasing the horses. I have no experience with e-collars, and hesitate to use one  without guidance. Any suggestions? comments?

Yes, he is obedience trained, but the desire to "herd" the heels of the horses is like an addiction for him.

Thank you for your answers.

If an e collar is used correctly, it is a great "teaching" tool.  I don't agree with "frying" a dog with an e collar.  But an e collar used on low stimulation is a great teaching too.  I too have used it on my own hand.  For you anti e collar people, I suppose that an invisible fence is "cruel" too.  I use the e collar as a correction, but would love to learn how to use it to teach behaviors. 

I have a tritronics collar at the moment and I am thinking about getting a dogtra collar.  I don't think that the tritronics collar has enough settings.

Senta, while I agree that yes a dog would never encounter something like that in real life, ie: a blind search.  Of course most dogs know that the helper is going to be in blind 6, it's an obedience exercise.  

Kyle, I agree with you there!  Been there done that!

Ranchinglady, yes that would be a great situation to use the e collar  "teach" your dog that's that behavior is not appropriate.  Also, could save your dog from getting kicked in the head!  But, it should be used with a person that is very experienced in using e collar. 

I teach my dogs with motivation, but use a correction to proof.  My dogs certainly do not cower to me.  And there are methods to use correction so that the dog will actually get more motivation from the correction.

By the way I love my dogs with all my heart and tell them that everyday! 

I have a Dogtra 2000NCP.  Even though battery died when it was just out of warranty they replaced it free.  That speaks volumes to me about the company.

Talk with a trainer and figure out your METHOD of using it.  There are several approaches.  I like the approach put forth by Lou Castle. I was not impressed by the "no limitations" approach as I felt it made the dog too robotic.  To each his own, though. A lot of people like the "no limitations" approach.

 I Used it on a dog who was determined to chase game using a VERY low stim approach; timing was everything.  Rather stim my dog than have her hit by a car after chasing an animal.

The Dogtra has continuously variabe stim and I think theTritronics has discrete levels.  Double check that as different collars may be more suitable for different training methods

Yes, I have stimmed myself on the neck at the level given to my dogs.  It is not painful - it is tingly. I don't use it much but for life and death commands for an offlead dog, it can be a godsend.

Senta

" I have the time to train my dogs without that e-collar and only with motivation-methods. And it works."

You must not participate in any competitive dog sports!!! lol

Drive - compulsion - drive. I don't know of any accomplished dog trainer that doesn't have to use some form of compulsion at some point. To say that you can accomplish advanced training goals without compulsion is basically saying you have never accomplished it. Let's seperate your theories and reality here.

Do you not think we would all just love to throw away chokes, prongs and e-collars? This is the real world and it's unlikely we will be able to accomplish this.