UKC Police/Protection titles - Page 3

Can anybody post a link from the UKC with rules, regs and titles available? I'd like to read it next to the PSA stuff and look at the differentce and see if it's an option around here too.

I have looked at it. It is what it is. I think it is good that a registration organization is doing this.

It is a step in the right direction. Hopefully if it gains popularity, the talent levels and standards will go up. They have to keep it low to bring people in because, right now, it is not even close to being in the same realm as PSA or any other legitimately recognized dog sport.

Like I said, I think this is a major step in the right direction. The problem lies in that you have to keep things simple to get it started, but you need good dogs performing in trials to give it some form of credibility. If you have experienced talented dog sport people trailing in this venue, it will scare away the people the organization is trying to bring in.

Kind of a double edged sword, but is another venue for people to do something with their dogs and that is always a good thing.

The big potential negative of this is inevitably people will see these titles as a legitimate reason to breed their dogs, which they are absolutley not.

Hi 4pack here is the link

http://www.servicedogsofamerica.com/

Thank You. It's always nice to have more options out there. Schutzhund just isn't for me and it's the biggest thing out there right now.

Get a real dog,

You are so wrong on your perceeption of the titles. Based on the shown above yes those are the more family based titles. For example the FO has more of a family based OB feel to it with the loading and unloading of your dog into the vehicle. This title is equivelent to the BH. But if you watch the healing pattern it is very, very similiar to sch. Also you say that these titles would not be breeding worthy but for example a sch title is. So you give all this credibility to sch even though every person who has competed has scene a judge at a LOCAL trial pass a dog in tracking that barely could find his way home from the corner. Or the dog who passes his protection work who comes off the sleeve and will not re-engage. So now what about titles is so valuable about being a standard for breeding.

Well lets see in the P1, PD1 the helper is sopposed to try and run your dog, they are sopposed to come at them hard and make them fail. Also how many sch titles require a dog to search the blinds in a muzzle, or engage a passive subject in a muzzle. Or lets see perform a building search to actually find a bad guy. These are some of the things needed for these titles. Also in the P3 you do 6 blinds and off leash healing and all those sorts of things. 

You are right about this that it is a new sport and that it is gaining notoriety but you know what it has something for everyone, and that is important.

Well first off, anyone who has paid any attention to me knows that Sch is not my sport of choice, nor do I think the protection phase is the best breed worthy test. With that said, i respect the sport from a training standpoint and respect trainers who have put in the amount of time to do so.

With that said, I have seen a few videos of this SDA stuff. All of which left alot to be desired. Ok I will say it, it was terrible. But I have not seen much so maybe there is something out there. If you have any video of good dogs, doing good work, on good decoys, I may change my mind so feel free to show me if you got it.

 First and foremost, I do not see any stick hits at all. I am assuming this is the case as it is an organized registry sport. Not PC.

Next, to me some of the scenarios are down right silly, but many think the same thing about PSA. Where are the environmental stressors? I just skimmed though it so maybe I am missing it.

I have already touched on the fact that this sport will be forced into low standards if it is to go anywhere. Anyone serious in dog sport, is going to go Sch, French Ring, Mondio Ring, or PSA, before this. If they do participate, they will blow everyone else out of the water and the sport will not grow in the target demographic.

Lastly, you can not have a true test of a dog, without very good decoy work. Period, end of story. The video's I have seen have left alot to be desired to say the least. This coupled with no stick hits, and minimal enviromental stress does not make a good test of a dog IMHO.

So I do think this is a good thing. It gives people another venue in which to play with their dog. The more people who play with their dogs, the more happy dogs in the world. If this is done right, it could very well be a decent sport. However, I just don't see a whole lot of people leaving Sch, Ring, or PSA to go get serious about this. So I just do not see the level of talent being the greatest, which is OK but it is what it is.

I think it is nice for police service dogs to have a sport venue in which to compete, but we all know where the average PSD trainer is compared the average sport trainer. (This coming from a police officer who has done both) No disrespect, it's just the way it is. PSA let PSD compete (don't know if they still do) but it never caught on. The police service dogs just looked silly compared to the civilian sport dogs so they quit coming out. This was out in CA where the PSD training is generally better than other parts of the country.

I see this sport being a venue for yahoo's and PPD trainers to get "titles" to breed and sell dogs. I hope not but that is where I see this going.

If this is in someone's area and they don't have another venue, or they have a dog that will not make the cut in another venue, then by all means I hope they do it. Every dog needs something to do.

The problem with SDA protection titles is that it is new, and it does not have the following that some of the other sports have. And yes I do appreciate a well trained hard sch, french ring, KNPV etc... dog that can really do the work. I quess  what urked me and maybe I was just venting is when people comment before having all the information. Now am I saying that SDA work has the best trainers, or dogs or hepers, wel no. But I will say this I like the direction that it is going. I understand that some of the titles look easy, and the judging is adapted for beginers but I will say this the advanced titles are just as dificult as sch and PSA.

GetARealDog I was not trying to piss ya off like I said I was just a little urked, so let me explain a little. I have had several discussions with the President and others in the Org. about the vision of the sport. They are trying to create a sport that at the lower levels will bring out everyone with their dogs. The higher the title the harder it is. But it is still usefull in real life. For example a PPD should be able to bark or alert on someone on command whether ther person is actively being aggressive or just standing their. In this arena the dog has to do this. Also the dog has to be able to stand his ground against a very aggressive attacker, also in the police titles the dog must remain calm even if someone is acting out, or yelling and screaming. The dog allerts when commanded and attackes when commanded.

Also we have the attack out of the blind and the long bite with gunfire. And yes their is stick hits. What I liked about the trial that I went to and participated in is that the helper came at my dog he tried to run him, he used his body language, he stared at him, yelled and he did it  all. In the actuall bite he drove the dogs hard and did stick hit him.  I like the fact that a lot of the training for these titles will make a nice PPD or PSD with finishing the dog, building searches, muzzle, and so on.

Hi GSDfan and all,

I wanted to jump in on this thread and encourage people to check out the UKC/SDA trials. As eisenfaust said they really test a dogs nerves when it comes to the protection portion of the work. Don't be fooled the upper level titles are not easy to achieve.

This is a relatively new sport and has not gained alot of recognition as of yet but there are more and more clubs being formed and it is starting to take off. I'm with the SDA Chattanooga Club and people can go to our website sdachattanooga.com and post any questions and I would be glad to get back with them in finding or forming a club.

The obedience routines are very similar to schutzund, but the protection routines are geared more towards real personal protection dogs and or police K9 dogs. The great thing of this orginization is if someone is not interested in the protection part of the sport they can still participate and earn titles. Again the upper level titles are not easy to earn, but they are realistic to every day life.

I will post more information once I get off work and have more time.

No worries, not pissed off, just throwing out an opinion......

Like I said, I hope this works out. It could be a good thing. I have several members in my new club, that are new and/or don't have the strongest dogs so it is something I may take a look at.

Playing a little devil's advocate and hope the negative of justifiable breeding of dogs who only get the lower levels does not happen, but I have a feeling it will.

The higher levels do seem challenging, I just wonder about the level of decoy work as it relates to pressure.

Like in any sport you have your good and bad decoys. I was fortunate and went to TN and at the trial I was at their was a very good helper. I also hope that people do not use the lower levels of titles as breeding criteria because I would like a dog to be able to do more. I also think people need to get away from breeding because of titles. I would never buy a dog based only on titles. What SDA needs is people like yourself to get involved and help make it better. The concept and vision are going in the right direction with the club. You should PM TDC he knows more about the club stuff than I and he would love to explain the whole thing. Later