Looking for input from pedegree people..... - Page 3

somebody has used the brainwashing of genius and great steet dogs to an excessive....there are others who have many problems with those same dog lines......

Do some homework other than the person who claims all those things....Yes those lines are strong ,fighting dog lines...but they is more to breeding lines than just a few dogs to go to street police dog training,,,,

There are more stable dogs with the better of health ranges in our country that are tops in the work lines that would meet the criteria.....

Again I must say this (I am american )  an they say Americans line breed!!!!!

Ziegenfarm:   Darren Harris who sold him the dog comes on here and is a fan of Koos of

Tiekerhook kennels in Netherlands......he is a famous line that own a kennel that has been doing this for years...he has a reputation for hard dogs...some of these dogs have problems just like all geman and import lines all over the world....but Harris promotes this line hook line and sinker and so does Lorenzo Williams  as this is what they breed...thats well and good....but they are not the only dog breeders.....Koos doesnt title a dog ,,he breeds   he sends his dogs to be titled...he is a man with a name  ......so are his dogs....

These two leo in northern states have bought a pup from this line of Debbie and Max and now this breeding of this male......Zeus is the dog of choice to be the stud   he is out of Larry Filos breedings  and is an awesome dog....I do not believe this is the right match for such a great line of Larry Filos dogs.....plain and simple     .....does this explain ....The owner of Zeus has never bred a dog    hes asking for honest opinions  for what to do....hes researching thru us....it is our duty not to steer him wrong......I dont care who bred this little female or where it came from......right is right and wrong is wrong........we have too many nerve bags and off the wall dogs in the dog world  now....and I ve already seen one of these pups that has a shy problem and still has it....shes doing better but will never make a police street dog..or a good rep of what i would want for a female bitch to produce me a pup...no matter who she is bred to   with a 2-2 and put Max v Tiekerhook as the sire of the other pup with the Debby mom and the plot thickens   look how many times the same dog appears in the pedigree.......I dont think this is a good match and that what the poster wants to know.....I have Tiekerhook progheny,,,and Gator was a Orthos v Tierkerhook and ANiika Furstenburg son.....no 2-2 there.....you have to go another route with Zeus.....

YellowRose I would really appreciate for once if you knew me before getting assumptions or hearsay because your statement show just that - you didn't get this from my mouth and they have little validity to the topic this man brought up.  Max is just a dog I used before. He is a very strong dog regardless of his kennel name. A dog that brings more power and drive couple with solid nerves than many dogs I have seen out there. A kennel name doesn't make a dog. An email to Koos personally can give you some insight on factual things on his breedings and practices.  Surely I can speak of what I saw from my breedings with Max and that's it. Not Koos word on his breeding but my own. Tiekerhook has good dogs and not so good dog just like Karthago, Cap Arkona, Stoffelblick and any of the other well established kennel out there.

This breeding has ZERO to do with Max. Or at least shouldn't. Debby was bred to Max but that's half of the pie here. This female he mentioned is from Hutch vom dunklen Zwinger and Debby so let's stay on subject here without lashing out about folks you all hadn't talked to even once.

Zeus - Alabamak9 has already stated several times she is not an advocate of linebreeding. Take that just as she gave it and pick and chose what you agree with and don't agree with.  I didn't even look at this breeding with your Hutch daughter and Sid until now. I heard many good things about Sid and spoke to Larry Filo ,Molly Graf, Jan Arboghast and some others about  breedings they did with him. So I got input from folks who ACTUALLY bred to the dogs not folks who mentioned having bloodlines 4 and 5 generations back or folks who just are bored and need a feel good on his forum.

Furthermore everyone is going to have their opinion on a breeding. You have to get the input and go with your gut instincts. I don't know about a few of the mentioned kennels but I know kennels like Karthago, Salztalblick and Mohnwiese went with distinctive lines they felt comfortable with an certainly didn't take a poll to ask every Joe Schmoe what they thought they should do. Study the lines. Try to get a feel for them and often times seeing many dogs from this dog or that dog or this bloodline or that bloodlines will only come from experience. Everyone is partial to their lines. Some know them better than others. But you have to choose the good and weed out what you don't wanna hear.

Also Xeus I have the slighest clue of who you are despite the fact I heard nice reviews on Sid I would probably consider more alternate lines for the breeding. I say that constructively without knowing who you are. it will just give you more diversity in the future if you retain a pup from this litter. Good to know also with linebreeding what desired traits these dogs may bring both good and bad and if they coincide with your overall goal for the breeding.

Hope that comes off little more on lines of what you were looking for on opinions than folks just on her spouting out folks from mythological times that have nothing to do with your post.

Anyway back to post without diverting to senseless conversation...

"Koos doesnt title a dog ,,he breeds he sends his dogs to be titled...he is a man with a name ......so are his dogs.... "

That's a pretty funny statement when I see people flocking to his training seminars.  And how did Koos even get sucked into this thread in the first place?

I have spent time with Xeus and his Sid son. His personal male is a machine, a dog with an on/off switch, structure is great, well balanced drives (all three prey,defense,fight). The time I have spent with Xeus I can not find any negitives of his sid son. 

Xeus all I can say is you have some time before breeding this female, so finish your trial in Nov. and use your own male and begin your own personal breeding. We both know your male will not get 100 points in protection because he will make the helper piss himself for a SCH trial, as his head shakes and fight drive is above the SCH standard.  

Yellowrose of Texas

You act as if you know me. I assure everyone this miserable old quack pot doesn't know me from Adam. However, this idiot is on here telling folks that I am a Koos fan. I am no follower like yourself. I am no Koos fan Yellow idiot of Texas. I just bred to one of his nice hard dogs.  Don't get on here acting as if you even had two words of conversation with me. Keep my name out of your mouth you database post stalker. By the way , His post had nothing to do with Max Tiekerhook or Koos. Your statements show who the promoters are and who the haters are.You are on here everyday all over the place every post. Get a life !!!!!!!!!!

Now two my favorite idiot at Alabama K9. Are you still hating??????????? You are two old to be so ignorant. You get on here talking  about linebreeding which you know little about. All you know is how to back anyone of your trash females that come in heat to Zidane. You are down there breeding 3 legged dogs,letting other folks dogs escape from your trash dog runs and get hit by a car. Then you blame it on "as you say your alcoholic drug addicted Trainer." You said he Wrecked 3 vehicles and a trailer while under the influence. I Think you have more to worry about.  You need to take care of that nasty puppy mill you live in. It has to be one of the worse places I have ever seen.

Regards Darren

 The above  slander post will be addressed with legal counsel..my apology to the board for this  persons lack of intergity ..I have never bashed anyones kennel but simply said I am not a fan of close line-breeding does not make me a hater by any stretch. I think the above post did more harm to his kennel that anything I could say.   Marlene

Marlene

May I suggest the law firm of Dewey, Cheatham, &Howe?