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by bgstout on 21 July 2011 - 02:07
I saw Jilnannah compete in Davenport and she was super, especially in the bitwork!
by Jeff Oehlsen on 21 July 2011 - 05:07
You did read where I said that I was NOT talking about you, right ?? : )
I hope the dog is all that and a bag of chips, never think that I do not want people to get good dogs and produce good dogs in the US. I am as sick of having to go to the EU dogs as I am sure some other people are. It gets very very old. I also hope you breed him a lot. I get sick of "approved" bitches only as well. Like you can tell until the pups come out. I bred a lot of dogs a couple of decades ago, and I can tell you that I had a lot of bitches that I bred too, that I did not think would produce well, and got a big fat slap in the face a bunch of times.
If a dog is OH F****** WOW, is it really going to leave Germany ? How many of those are there ? 3 in a decade ? Then, there is just a difference in types of dogs. I saw the decoy step on his foot hard. If he would have bit the decoy, THEN I would have liked him a hell of a lot more. That is always going to be the type of dog that I really really like. How many of those are there ? I do not know. Still trying to find stuff like that out, and how the heck do you pose that question if you don't get to see the dogs, or it never happens ? I am not afraid to put things out there, anyone that reads my posts should be able to figure that out, but that might be something that I could not come up with the words for. : )
Also, I stopped talking about Mac after the bag of chips thing. Just want to make sure that you know that.
Quote: Jeff, it is not true that Americans only get bad dogs from Germany,
I am pretty sure that I express myself fairly clearly. Don't ADD to what I am saying. If I say I have stopped talking about Mac, I really have stopped talking about Mac, and am on to my theories or whatever. : )
Quote: the truth is that "dumb dog owners and handlers" never get a good dog from good breeders.
Let me tell you one thing here, that is complete and utter bullshit. I know plenty of dumb fucks with really really nice dogs. You will never see them compete, as they go all over the board training this that and the other.
Quote: You have found one now! Go look at my website and search under my kennel name, you will find many dogs from my breedings titled and competing at high level. Just to name a few:
Chief vom Patiala (Competed at USA Nationals)
Count vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
Gamo vom Patiala (competed at USA NAtionals)
Eumah vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
Nick vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
THis is really cool. I am very happy to know this. I had heard about you, but only nice guy, bla bla bla.
If someone asks you for a puppy to do ring with, please let me know if they get one. I do not think there is enough people that find out enough about different US breeders and what they are producing. I would love to know how that turns out.
I hope the dog is all that and a bag of chips, never think that I do not want people to get good dogs and produce good dogs in the US. I am as sick of having to go to the EU dogs as I am sure some other people are. It gets very very old. I also hope you breed him a lot. I get sick of "approved" bitches only as well. Like you can tell until the pups come out. I bred a lot of dogs a couple of decades ago, and I can tell you that I had a lot of bitches that I bred too, that I did not think would produce well, and got a big fat slap in the face a bunch of times.
If a dog is OH F****** WOW, is it really going to leave Germany ? How many of those are there ? 3 in a decade ? Then, there is just a difference in types of dogs. I saw the decoy step on his foot hard. If he would have bit the decoy, THEN I would have liked him a hell of a lot more. That is always going to be the type of dog that I really really like. How many of those are there ? I do not know. Still trying to find stuff like that out, and how the heck do you pose that question if you don't get to see the dogs, or it never happens ? I am not afraid to put things out there, anyone that reads my posts should be able to figure that out, but that might be something that I could not come up with the words for. : )
Also, I stopped talking about Mac after the bag of chips thing. Just want to make sure that you know that.
Quote: Jeff, it is not true that Americans only get bad dogs from Germany,
I am pretty sure that I express myself fairly clearly. Don't ADD to what I am saying. If I say I have stopped talking about Mac, I really have stopped talking about Mac, and am on to my theories or whatever. : )
Quote: the truth is that "dumb dog owners and handlers" never get a good dog from good breeders.
Let me tell you one thing here, that is complete and utter bullshit. I know plenty of dumb fucks with really really nice dogs. You will never see them compete, as they go all over the board training this that and the other.
Quote: You have found one now! Go look at my website and search under my kennel name, you will find many dogs from my breedings titled and competing at high level. Just to name a few:
Chief vom Patiala (Competed at USA Nationals)
Count vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
Gamo vom Patiala (competed at USA NAtionals)
Eumah vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
Nick vom Patiala (competed at USA Nationals)
THis is really cool. I am very happy to know this. I had heard about you, but only nice guy, bla bla bla.
If someone asks you for a puppy to do ring with, please let me know if they get one. I do not think there is enough people that find out enough about different US breeders and what they are producing. I would love to know how that turns out.
by Jeff Oehlsen on 21 July 2011 - 06:07
Quote: Another thing is how many American bred, titled, (breed surveyed) competed with dogs we have here. Hell do you have a dog you have bred, trained and trialed yourself? I dont know maybe you have.. and do you have a second generation that you bred, trained and titled yourself? Hell I am working on my first generation now so I have no room to speak myself. I had to go and get import because I have not found a SINGLE breeder in the USA who could show me consistency of breeding, training and titling for more than one generation.
HA HA, most people want to get a pup from fresh imports, or an import. There are not enough working homes for all the dogs that breeders produce. I have titled third fourth and fifth and sixth and seventh generations years ago. Most breeders for me, are too picky to whom they breed to, are too afraid to produce more than a couple litters a year, which really you learn only a small amount by breeding so little.
The breeder that I got Esko from, has had at least 10-15 litters since I got Esko. Daniel bruneil from hurles du vent has like 80 dogs on site and breeds at least that many litters a year, and has since the 40s or 50s. I have seen 4 or 5 dogs from his kennel, and they are very nice dogs. I have scars from several of them to prove it.
I have a few friends that are breeders, and some do well, and their pups go right out the door. I have others, who have very nice dogs and pups, and they are not having the same luck. There is nothing at all wrong with their dogs, but they cannot find working homes like the other people can.
I have just started breeding again, and a different breed. I will not let a pup off the property if I think it is going to be unable to do the work. Right now, I have 9 pups here, and a litter on the way. I have some really nice pups here, and some are staying for breeding, (mostly female litter) and the rest will go to military or police. I have one that is just a big mouth, and loves me like you would not believe. She is a pet. I will find someone that fits her eventually, but no hurry at all. I have not seen many that get that attached to me, as I am sort of disinterested in the pups that are pet quality. She walks between my legs and bangs around in there, waiting patiently for a scratch. So annoying and cute. HA HA She is a character, and I think when I find the right person for her, I will be very happy.
HA HA, most people want to get a pup from fresh imports, or an import. There are not enough working homes for all the dogs that breeders produce. I have titled third fourth and fifth and sixth and seventh generations years ago. Most breeders for me, are too picky to whom they breed to, are too afraid to produce more than a couple litters a year, which really you learn only a small amount by breeding so little.
The breeder that I got Esko from, has had at least 10-15 litters since I got Esko. Daniel bruneil from hurles du vent has like 80 dogs on site and breeds at least that many litters a year, and has since the 40s or 50s. I have seen 4 or 5 dogs from his kennel, and they are very nice dogs. I have scars from several of them to prove it.
I have a few friends that are breeders, and some do well, and their pups go right out the door. I have others, who have very nice dogs and pups, and they are not having the same luck. There is nothing at all wrong with their dogs, but they cannot find working homes like the other people can.
I have just started breeding again, and a different breed. I will not let a pup off the property if I think it is going to be unable to do the work. Right now, I have 9 pups here, and a litter on the way. I have some really nice pups here, and some are staying for breeding, (mostly female litter) and the rest will go to military or police. I have one that is just a big mouth, and loves me like you would not believe. She is a pet. I will find someone that fits her eventually, but no hurry at all. I have not seen many that get that attached to me, as I am sort of disinterested in the pups that are pet quality. She walks between my legs and bangs around in there, waiting patiently for a scratch. So annoying and cute. HA HA She is a character, and I think when I find the right person for her, I will be very happy.
by skidoo on 22 July 2011 - 22:07
Thank you, Mystere, for the "shout out", but I am not comfortable being mentioned in the same paragraph with Ajay Singh as a good breeder. Ajay's 1st hand knowledge of the breed, top dogs & top kennels is unsurpassed for me. I see him as a mentor & I'm grateful that he is so willing to share his knowledge. I am smart enough to hang onto his every word & to take his advice.
Like so many small breeders here in the States I have an extremely nice brood-bitch, proven in competition. Because I am not in a population-dense area & am without an established large club of knowledgeable & successful trainers many of my capable puppies will go to pet homes. For the most part they will be well loved & pleasing companions & family members because I endeavor to produce a balanced temperament. If I am extremely lucky a buyer will develop into a good trainer & have some success with a puppy from my kennel. This may attract more training owners & some years from now I may begin to compile a record of proven successes.
Like many students of the breed I am a hobby breeder on a very small scale. I do not make choices based on monetary gain or to support myself. I do not use for stud my very successful, handsome, impressive competition dog. That would be the expeditious & cost conscious way of producing puppies. That is not my goal. My goal is to produce my next competition female. The fallout is that many very nice puppies will go out to other people. I look for working homes; they do not always look for me.
Meanwhile, serious competitors are looking to big names of the European & European associated kennels for their dogs. Mass production has the volume to inevitably produce successful offspring. The small quality breeder may forever remain unsung without a venue to showcase their product.
ON TOPIC: I have a Mac von der Kine/Jilnannah vom Talka Marda daughter from Ajay and I have a Mac von der Kine/Yes von der Hegge daughter & I have a Javir vom Talka Marda/Yes von der Hegge daughter. I believe all of them will do well. I took my 11 wk old Mac/Yes daughter swimming last week & she astonished me by doing just that-swimming. She did this without fanfare, without splashing & without panic or even overt surprise at lost footing. She merely swam. I expected these puppies to be thinking puppies as opposed to reactive & this is what I am seeing. The Mac/Yes puppies are drivey without being over the top & are confident, outgoing. All but 1 went to novice working homes. We shall see how they develop. By the time they are proven the parents will be aged beyond productivity: there will be no chance to repeat the successful pairings.
Many great dogs are not in the hands of top trainers. Mac von der Kine went to the BSP in the hands of a 1st time Schutzhunder!!! This is AMAZING. Ajay has the experience to know what he sees & was fortunate enough to get the opportunity to acquire this fine animal who is from a very old, established kennel. Mac's pedigree is impeccable. By the time we know for the record-book what he's produced, he will no longer be producing. Many of his progeny will languor unchallenged & unproven in their happy homes as so many good dogs do.
Susan Dooling
Like so many small breeders here in the States I have an extremely nice brood-bitch, proven in competition. Because I am not in a population-dense area & am without an established large club of knowledgeable & successful trainers many of my capable puppies will go to pet homes. For the most part they will be well loved & pleasing companions & family members because I endeavor to produce a balanced temperament. If I am extremely lucky a buyer will develop into a good trainer & have some success with a puppy from my kennel. This may attract more training owners & some years from now I may begin to compile a record of proven successes.
Like many students of the breed I am a hobby breeder on a very small scale. I do not make choices based on monetary gain or to support myself. I do not use for stud my very successful, handsome, impressive competition dog. That would be the expeditious & cost conscious way of producing puppies. That is not my goal. My goal is to produce my next competition female. The fallout is that many very nice puppies will go out to other people. I look for working homes; they do not always look for me.
Meanwhile, serious competitors are looking to big names of the European & European associated kennels for their dogs. Mass production has the volume to inevitably produce successful offspring. The small quality breeder may forever remain unsung without a venue to showcase their product.
ON TOPIC: I have a Mac von der Kine/Jilnannah vom Talka Marda daughter from Ajay and I have a Mac von der Kine/Yes von der Hegge daughter & I have a Javir vom Talka Marda/Yes von der Hegge daughter. I believe all of them will do well. I took my 11 wk old Mac/Yes daughter swimming last week & she astonished me by doing just that-swimming. She did this without fanfare, without splashing & without panic or even overt surprise at lost footing. She merely swam. I expected these puppies to be thinking puppies as opposed to reactive & this is what I am seeing. The Mac/Yes puppies are drivey without being over the top & are confident, outgoing. All but 1 went to novice working homes. We shall see how they develop. By the time they are proven the parents will be aged beyond productivity: there will be no chance to repeat the successful pairings.
Many great dogs are not in the hands of top trainers. Mac von der Kine went to the BSP in the hands of a 1st time Schutzhunder!!! This is AMAZING. Ajay has the experience to know what he sees & was fortunate enough to get the opportunity to acquire this fine animal who is from a very old, established kennel. Mac's pedigree is impeccable. By the time we know for the record-book what he's produced, he will no longer be producing. Many of his progeny will languor unchallenged & unproven in their happy homes as so many good dogs do.
Susan Dooling
by richram on 22 July 2011 - 22:07
Susan,
You express your thoughts very well and you are right on target! I wish you the best,Richard
You express your thoughts very well and you are right on target! I wish you the best,Richard
by Patiala on 23 July 2011 - 01:07
Susan, you and I should form a mutual admiration society! Believe me, you don't give yourself as much credit as other give you, and of course Mystere is not the only one who thinks that you are a top echelon breeder in the Country. I liked Yes very much when I picked her from the airport, and she was a great dog to be around when she was with us. So I am not surprised that the puppies turned out to be really nice because the mother is really nice. In a good breeding the father, as a minimum, should not take anything away from the mother's strengths, but pass on his postive characteristics to the majority of the puppies. If Mac did that then I am really pleased to hear about it because in my mind the breeding made sense om paper.
The main reason we visit this site is to share knowledge about our beloved German Shepherd Dog breed. If through our discussions, we improve our understanding of the history of the breed, the vision of the forefathers of the breed (not just the Captain but all of the good old breeders who handed good shepherds to us), and pass on the breed to the future generations, then as transient beings we have done our job. Good open, postive discussions with a latent intent to improve, but as a minimum preserve, the good characteristics of the breed will only help the breed.
I am so glad that you are participating more in the group discussions, and even contributing to the USA magazine. We need more people like you, people with balanced, analytical and practical approach, to steer the breed. Obviously, being a top trainer and competitor, you not only talk t talk but....
I thank you very much for your comliments and your confidence in my assessment of my dogs.
Ajay Singh
www.ajaysingh.com
The main reason we visit this site is to share knowledge about our beloved German Shepherd Dog breed. If through our discussions, we improve our understanding of the history of the breed, the vision of the forefathers of the breed (not just the Captain but all of the good old breeders who handed good shepherds to us), and pass on the breed to the future generations, then as transient beings we have done our job. Good open, postive discussions with a latent intent to improve, but as a minimum preserve, the good characteristics of the breed will only help the breed.
I am so glad that you are participating more in the group discussions, and even contributing to the USA magazine. We need more people like you, people with balanced, analytical and practical approach, to steer the breed. Obviously, being a top trainer and competitor, you not only talk t talk but....
I thank you very much for your comliments and your confidence in my assessment of my dogs.
Ajay Singh
www.ajaysingh.com
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