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10 months---Fasting for a day or two will not hurt whatsoever.

If you want to fix this and train motivationally, do exactly what Runfast explained.

Ditto: on do what runfast suggested...Kelly:   Since day one , i was told to fast dogs before training.....some dogs require more than others...First you have to get this dog focused on you...........off to the side of property , just you and pup

Goldfish can be trained to follow a finger in a bowl,,but they cant do schutzhund.....to pic a pup for schutzhund the pup must show the desire to focus and please you ,   even pups start that at 10 weeks old  even if its for 2 minutes  and you , only you,,,get them to do it longer each day,,,,each week,,each month.....the techniques you use , have to be  ones quick and to the point   over and over.....then put it all up and just play with the pup.....sit in the floor and feed this pup out of your hand    every night for 30 days     this is an Adrian Ledda technique to gt the bond to be between you and the pup This pup needs  to start knowing that u are his ultimate,,,,,,,,,do not feed this pup in a bowl    everything he eats should be in training mode or out of your hand , on the floor and in the bond mode......

It works....especially if this dog is energetic and distractions shouldnt matter , at all, Kelly,,,,I train every pup of mine , or imprint them , right outside in the middle of opening with 15 dogs screaming, yelling and barking all at one time.....a prey pup will see the object and they want to please and they want to get the object... . The key words to a pup    are   bold, alert and  willing........for a pup that will excell in the sport.....but there are other AKC sports this pup may do.. He's a pup , so just do the pup things......

It is frustration when a 10 month old doesnt want to focus.....I really dont know what you have been doing with the pup all of these last 8 months so I cant judge......Krishi was tracking at 6 months with Adrian, long sits, long downs,,,,and he started her on recalls ,,and she balked and had a hard headed moment of not coming back....when called......when her owner died he had her on 30 minute down stays, in the living room, in a triangle, every night.....as long as you are on the field or at Adrians she worked beautiful.....when at home , she didnt want to be put up , so he had an attitude pup,...she was  16 mos when he died and no other training has been done....Her attention span has always been right on , as she is all work, and will sit for ever , properly , with eyes on object , ready to be dispatched.....her bringz back is now bad...someone else will have to continue her training when she is sold.....

KellY; When this pup was first born till three weeks old,,tell me how it acted in reference to the other pups.....was it first second or what number born,,,,,how long did it take to nurse,,and what did it do to its sibblings,,,along this period,,,cn you tell me some facts about how it acted.....???

This is the toughest dog to train. I had one like that and it was not easy. I used alot of praise and talking to her. Of course corrections were made when they were needed. I also started training when the pup was way too young. Many play  with her and build confidence.

I am sure there is something out there she likes as a treat.

good luck......

yroTexas,

She was a very big puppy. All she cared about was food, so she was the fattest, and the pushiest when it came to nursing. Sometimes she would keep to herself, and sometimes she would play with them. For your other questions, I do not want to say on here, but you may email me privately. I can say on here that I loss their mother when she was only 5 months old, so it was very difficult to even go out there and work her on anything. I was and still am going thru a grieving period. It's not as bad as the first 3 months(give or take) when I did lose her mother, because I know that her mother is in a better place running and playing with everyone else's dog's that they have loss. It's hard but I guess I can say it will and is getting better.

Beaugsd,

It is very difficult to train her, but I will not feed her for 1 day and then train her.  I'm not going to give up on her, that's for sure!!

My question is when you don't feed for 1 full day do you start training the very next day? or the day where you don't feed, but train later during the evening instead?

Kelly did you try the liver? Iam so curious to know if she focuses on it. I would hold it in your hand closed so she can smell it but not get it, kinda tease her. Also fry it so its just maybe at most half cooked in some butter with a little garlic salt. Let it cool but try it when still slightly warm as the aroma will be best that way. Post if you try and it does/does not work.

Trailrider,

I plan on picking up some liver tomorrow to try it out on her. When she is off leash she focuses on me, and when I get eye contact with her I praise her for looking at me. Mind you this is all off leash. I am going to feel sooo bad when I do the 1 day with no food because I'll be feeding everyone else but her. I am going to try the liver before I do that though!!

Wow, you got a huge amount of good advise. Unsure if anyone has asked you this or not. Does the puppy live free with the rest of the dogs? This could be a huge problem as well.. If the dogs desire is to just play and be with his/her pack of friends than that is where the focus is. Do I give some playtime with young dogs of course, no better exercise. But that should only come after she is where she needs to be with her training. Just like someone else posted they have to earn everything!!

Hundguy,

I know I did get a lot of GOOD advise!!! Yes, I do let her run and play with the gang at times. She is outside in her own kennel. Sometimes she comes in the house but only for an hour or two(that's all I can handle). I am going to have to basically put my foot down with her, and not let her run me, and I have to try and not feel guilty for not feeding her and letting her run with the gang. It's going to be hard for me, but I am going to try. It's sad for me, because as I get older I seem to get softer with the dog's my bad!!! gotta get back in the swing of things(so to speak).

Kelly,

Fasting a day or two is just the first step. The key to it is from then on the dog only eats when she is working for you. Measure out how much you feed (sounds like you may need to cut back a bit) then feed that amount over the course of the day. The concept is the dog has to work to eat. If your dog eats 3 cups a day, train three times a day for 10 minutes. Each session the dog gets 1 cup of food.

For the isolation, keep her totally crated for 3 days. The only time she gets out is to go to the bathroom, a short walk, and her 3 OB sessions. That's it. After day 3 crate her for 2 hrs before each OB session.

Dennis touched on something we all missed. The playing with other dogs can be a big setback in training for the reasons he shared. I have this problem with my little bitch. She has never run loose and played with other dogs but I got her a little late (12weeks). She came from a large littler, was kenneled with, or next to other dogs before I got her, and she has been in a kennel nest to another dog since being with me. I don't have the problem you are having, but she is definatley what I call "doggie".

If you fast, feed only when working, isolate, and keep her from the other dogs, I almost guarantee you see dramatic improvement.

Good luck. Give us an update in a week or two......