Video of my female - Page 3

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Your dogs behavior and performance has nothing to do with being breed specific or different from a GSD.

This guys seems a bit locked in old school mode.

I was thinking that too 4 pack.....

I would go back and build some drive with this dog and back off of the "routine"  There's no need to put the whole thing together at this stage of the game.  I agree with Don that espapes or a run around on the find blind would be good.  Why the whole routine when your dog is not even doing blind five without some distance?  I didn't see it with your male, but did notice that the helper kept grabbing your females leash, was that to keep her with him?

I agree with everyone about to much pressure from handler and helper. In our club if a dog shows that much pressure in the bite work (missing bites, handler sensitivity when handler approches, ect.) we either go back and build drive and foundation work or let the dog be  a little dirty twards the helper (let him/her bump in the blind, slow outs not corrected, ect.). we feel 80 pronouced is better than 80 vh.

I don't like the looks of this "trainer"/"helper" way too much face to face on a young dog. Anyone can see the dogs wont step in close, he should see that himself and ease up, build up the dogs. How many helper corrections have these dogs had?

Honestly, I think your dogs would do better with another trainer. This guys seems a bit locked in old school mode.

Try using a long line on your dog to keep him in position on the H&B. I have never seen the helper turn slightly away from the dogs or break "the stare", every thing is full frontal and IN YOUR FACE to the dogs. Most dogs need to build up to that, not start their training that way. To me he is breaking them down, not building them up. Not a recipe for success.

Lotsa quotes above. IMO, this helper is a disaster--really bad news, IMO. What the hell is he doing correcting the dog by yanking on him via the pinch? The only time he turns his side to the dog is on the escape bite which he invariably presents with the elbow of the sleeve. I sure as heck would not allow him to work my titled dogs.

For those of you that know this trainer and are just trying to be nasty YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. You really need to stop acting like children. Those of you that provided me with good, positve info. thank you.

Angela I have no clue who this trainer is.  Just had some general questions.

wow.  I didn't see anybody trying to be nasty.  Not on this thread.   I saw some very good input based on what was shown in the video's. 

Angela,

  You did ask for critiques and I believe everyone gave you honest opinions and for once there was no malicious intent.  I for one have no idea who this helper is, or what club this is or who you are.  I can only comment on what I see.  Nothing that was said was a personal attack on you, your dogs or the helper for that matter.  If all you heard was "great job; wow" then you could never become better.  It is all a learning process.  You will find out that the most important things to pay attention to are the problems that people see.  

  Also,  you must keep in mind what your goals are.  If you want to show at a club level and get your titles, I think that is great.  I am sure that you can get there with this helper and some more time.  If you have loftier goals then you may want to reevaluate your training.  I train with national and international competitors who have many years experience and excellent dogs, I look for different things, perhaps, than someone who is new to the sport.   Go to "youtube" and look up "WUSV" and see what people are telling you in their critiques.

Best of luck in your training. 

Such thin skin on a newby.   Nobody said anything nasty unless that's how you interperet the truth.

Both of your dogs appear pressured possibly from being unfairly treated at some point. I have no idea who you are, who the helper is or what part of the world you live in......but your dogs don't lie.

Dogs are Honest and tell you what's happened to them even if it's not caught on camera at a particular time. All you have to do is listen to them and watch their behavior. They are both unsure and stressed. The helper work is awful.

You've been given very good advice and critiques in this discussion, it might be worth laying aside your loyality to your helper and look at your dogs/videos objectively. Your dogs well being should always come first.

JMHO from afar.

For the record, I know what club this is. I do not know 1 member or the helper. Have never seen him work dogs other than this video and do not  know his name or anything about him.

My comments are based soley on what I have seen in these videos and others from this club. If you took offense or thought there was some personal motive I'm sorry. I stand by what I said. I think your dogs are pretty good but the training is not.

Angela,

Try not to be so defensive about this helper and his skills. I think that (even if one happens to know the name of the helper or club), people here are trying to offer you objective and constructive criticism. I can't see that anyone is deliberately being "nasty" or helper-bashing. I commend everyone for speaking to the training real issues. You have some potentially very promising dogs! Good luck with them.

Look at some good videos of gifted, natural helpers (Stewart Hilliard and Doug Calhoun are a great examples) who know how to work young dogs--with lots of quick, lateral prey movements (like a rabbit), an excellent ability to read dogs and build confidence, and able to switch back and forth from prey to defense in a flash.