Von Erzengel Z littler Puppy with Major Genetic Defects - Page 29

I have addressed the contract. I don't do an unenforceable contract.  They get receipts and paper work.  My "guarantee" is right there on my website! :) IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS PUPPY FOR ANY REASON, RETURN IT FOR A FULL REFUND.  That is how I have always done business.

So, I did address this issue as well.

I know it is hard to keep up with everything with all this going on.

Still on trial and still answering questions.

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malinda

I am really new here and hardly ever post.   I have owned two healthy GSD's in the past.  I thought I was being oh-so helpful and compassionate in suggesting my wonderful breeder in CA whom we are getting our pup from in Aug. at the very beginning of this thread. 

To a newbie this is all downright frightening, but incredibly informative.  I really feel for all breeders and I will never be one!   After this fiasco, I now wholeheartedly agree with adrienne77 (thank you for your post).  Another lesson learned on the board...I hope this pup will be over the rainbow bridge soon where he can be free from all this and run and play as he was truly meant to.  I am simply blown away at how much courage and strength of character it obviously must take to be an excellent reputable breeder....blessings to all,

T

Just for the record, I am NOT on anyone's side here. I do NOT believe this dog is a dwarf, but I do think he is a coat. Not desired, but NOT A GENETIVE DEFECT either. Dwarfs never reach full height. They are much shorter/smaller than average size GSD's. It has absolutely nothing to do with weight.

Wish I didn't just look at that pup...........and what's up with all the concern about a stupid contract, anyway?

What is so difficult to understand here.  A buyer has a difficult situation-----dealing with severly compromised health issues.  She realizes they are building up and will probably be faced soon with putting the pup down.  She's frozen....and I hope that was the only reason she jumped on that offer the other night to hand over the pup. (Didn't expect that one.)  Well, Sandra.....life's not fair.  Most of us have been there.  YOU have to deal with this.....no one else.  YOU are the pup's family.  IF all these health issues are true and there comes a time when it becomes apparent he's suffering, then the hard task falls to you.  To uproot this pup from his family is unthinkable and totally unacceptable. (AND...the seller should know this......as well as any caring person.)

I don't believe any of this has anything to do with money. The buyer's pain has made her want to strike out, and maybe she even really believes she's saving others from the pain she's experiencing. Sandra---The breeder isn't a bad person or a bad breeder because a pup in a litter (especially a large litter) isn't healthy.  That reason, in itself, shouldn't mean the breeding pair be found unfit and eliminated from a program.  I imagine most of us have had a dog from a litter where at least one of it's siblings were  'not up to par'.  We just don't hear about those.

As to the breeder sending you the pup.......I brought it up earlier and she implied there was no sign of any health problems.  Ethically, that is the only real question here.  Not for one moment do I believe she knowingly sent you a pup that could possibly have all these issues.  A vet told you the pup was underweight........I mentioned it.....she said no.  I took her at her word.....and the picture of the pup alongside the other shepherd taken on is first day in CA seems to bear that out.

The buyer-seller debate has to end.  All the breeder recommendations, contract advisors, and concerned puppy well wishers coming here (including myself) adds up to crap.  Like I said before, this has nothing to do with money.  It's about a buyer (and I tend to believe her about the pup's problems.......all the drama, ????.....but the underlying truth, yes) who is terribly upset.  Sandra----You have to move on now, and do all you can for the pup. Later....you, and only you, will have to live with the decisions made concerning Zach. Malinda----If I were you, I'd send the buyer any money that was paid to you.....just as a sign of good will.  It will help with the expenses, and later on will be appreciated. Of course, I could be totally wrong........this could be a scam artist causing all this trouble........but, I don't really think so. This should end now...for both the breeder and buyer.   I'll end with 2 thoughts......Genetic misfits happen (nature's way).......Requiring a buyer to return a bonded pup is ill-advised. 

Malinda can you please tell us the Hips results from Caliber zet Eurosportu? Why didn't you have OFA look at her hips? Why are you going to spay Caliber?????

???? Shout louder, Brittany, we can't hear you!! 

LMH-The contract is what the entire issue hinges on. That's the big deal.

It is certainly not unreasonable for the breeder to verify the problems before having to cough up 800bucks. One conversation with the vet would settle it, verify the condition of the pup. Absolutely irrational not to provide that info. Would you refund if you didn't have any proof there was a medically unsound pup?

Malinda you certainly are not on trial from me, anyway. I was pointing out that the way to refute the last attack was to post the contract. This would show the buyers true colors.

A-dawg---I doubt the buyer is concerned about any contract, or a big fat $800 check.  She doesn't want to settle it---she can provide evidence later......after allowing the thread to continue on and on and on.......In the meantime, that blowing wind I mentioned earlier just keeps blowing and will finally knock someone down. (I'd rather see the contract dispute end on the breeder's part.....it's in her best interest. The buyer will then have to put her time and effort into what is most important-----caring for the pup.)  Better to end this thread now.

Don't see how Caliber's hip rating is anyone's business unless you are planning to purchase a pup from her.  Malinda is not obligated to share this information with anyone else on this board.  If the OP did not do the research on hips before purchasing the pup, then that is her fault and really a moot point at this time.  Bottom line is, Malinda offered to take the pup back 2 days after purchase.  What Caliber's hip rating is makes no difference at this point.  For anyone to demand to see it and expect a response is very presumptuous on their part.  It does not affect you personally nor does it help the situation as it stands now.  Malinda, you will need a well deserved vacation after all this is over which will hopefully be soon.

Thank you Malinda for posting the pictures of Zach.  Thank you, trp k9, for posting the link to Fred Lanting's article on dwarfism in GSD's.  Comparing the pictures of Zach and the photos of the dwarf GSD's in the article, it does not appear that Zach is a dwarf at all.  All the true dwarves are not only small but also badly out of proportion for a GSD.  They look more like little Pomeranians to me, with small faces, tiny snouts, stubby proportions.

And what's this about a claim of a deformed mouth??  None of the pictures show a deformed muzzle or jaw.  Am I missing something?  If there is some deformity it doesn't show in the pictures posted.

By the way, Malinda, I don't think you should feel any obligation to reply to the screaming Brittany.  Caliber is your dog.  The decision to spay or not to spay is your personal decision and I don't see the point of having to defend your decision either way, certainly not on a public forum with someone who obviously has an axe to grind.

Yvette