STOLEN DOG - ILLINOIS USA - Page 28

Wow, are some of you people politicians?  Talk about sensationalism!  Who has accused Al of covering anything up?  I don't see that anywhere here, do you?  If so, please point it out.  Go back to page 20, read forward and tell me where Dobermannman accused him of anything?  I don't see that he ever said Al was lying about anything, but I do see where he's saying that Al did not see what actually happened and by Al's own admission, the dog was left unattended in an unsecure area, even if just for a few minutes and he saw a light colored van stopped in front of the property.

Dobermannman simply stated that as far as any evidence is concerned, as well as the official reports that have come in so far, the initial claim that the dog was stolen and subsequently killed and returned to the property was based on conjecture, not facts.  I don't think he's saying that Al or anyone in his family knew all along what happend and covered it up.  What he's saying is that they DIDN'T KNOW what happened and apparently ASSUMED that he had been kidnapped.

Even if a white or light colored van stopped in front of the house, could it be that it was the "truck" that hit Hex?  I don't know about Illinois, but here in PA, vans are registered as trucks.  Maybe the guy got out to see if the dog could be helped and when he realized he couldn't, he left?  It's all conjecture at this point and I agree that all should wait until the final reports come in, but to attack Dobermannman is ridiculous.  He asked questions and was attacked by many here.

Evidently, some of you know Al persoanlly and are rallying to protect him, but he's not being accused of anyting other than assumption.  It's noble to come to his defense, but I think your anger over questions is overblown.  Maybe Dobermannman is too concerned about where the money is going, but that may be an issue

If my dog were missing and I saw a van stopped in the same vicinity, I may just jump to the same conclusion.  Emotions run high where your dog is concerned and I don't fault him at all in that.  I feel for the family.  To lose a dog under any circumstances is not an easy thing, especially when it's evident that the he was loved so deeply.  My heart goes out to the Govedniks.

The only valid point I see in the post above is that the family didn't ask for donations or accuse anyone in particular.  BUT, just the mere fact that the dog was initially reported as stolen, when there was no proof, incited people to anger and yes, it was a lynch mob mentality.  One of the very reasons stated by many was to donate so the culprits (or as so many stated, the BASTARDS) could be caught.

For Al's sake, I'm hoping that Hex WAS hit, because if someone truly did kidnap and kill him and return the body to the property, well....!  But it seems you all WANT that scenario to be true to justify what?

Curious...
Do people actually BELIEVE that Al and family etc would have gone to the media etc if indeed Hex had been hit by a car/truck/semi?

>I don't know for sure what Al would have done. Maybe he found Hex missing and kind of thought he
>"might" have seen a white van and jumped to a conclusion that he'd been stolen. Maybe he just
>didn't notice the body in the ditch out of sight covered by undergrowth etc. for two weeks. I'm not
>as willing to jump to unsubstantiated comclusions as some seem to be.

Seriously?
Don't you think if it were simple "ooops he got hit by a car", that Al and his wife etc could have covered it up by saying the dog died in his sleep, bloat etc whatever?

>See above, maybe he just didn't see Hex get hit or see the body while he was inside getting more trash
>to take out?

Does anyone REALLY think with things are the way they are in this economy, that Al would waste money on a PI etc(PI's are NOT cheap) ?

>It depends on the motivation to make people believe that Hex was stolen. There is and was a lot more
>going on behind the scenes then most are aware of.

Is it just the fact that this garnered such a wave of support (and yes, outrage) from people that is rubbing you the wrong way Thomas?

You cannot force anyone to believe whatever logic it is you follow Thomas.
If you go by simple fact of what is reported, not what you think etc, all the fingers point to this being an act of heinous violence towards and innocent dog.

>that is patently false. The fingers (fanned by the propaganda here but mainly on the FB page) are poiinting >towards an act of violence. The facts (police report and COD from the necropsy) are pointing towards
>a tragic accident

All the foot stomping and breath holding will do no good Thomas.
NO ONE from the Govedenik family has asked anywhere/anyone for money.

>Let's not be silly. There is no "foot stomping or breath holding" just a rational look at the facts and
>not buying into the hysteria

There have been many posts on many boards, (most of which I believe you are probably banned from), and it was always someone from "the crowd" that called for a reward to be gathered up in an effort to help get the dog back to his rightful family. Same evidently goes for Facebook, can't tell you, not a Facebook person.

>What a big surprise a personal attack (that I've been banned from many boards) instead of dealing
>with issues. I'm not on most boards because I just don't have the time or inclination to keep up
>with most of the discussions

I can only tell you what I have read on several "dog" boards. People took their own personal time and took it upon themselves to post about Hex being missing on such mediums as craigslist as well..does that upset you too?

>People took their personal time BECAUSE they beliieved Hex was stolen (based on what Al told the
>news media and what was reported) What upsets me is sticking to the stolen (and now stolen and murdered) story in spite of evidence tio the contrary

So, hate to burst your bubble, but go back and read every thread posted here, and everywhere else (if you can log on to those boards) and by all means, show everyone where/when anyone from the Govedenik family asked ***anyone*** for a red cent. You can't. You won't. Because they didn't.

>they may not have asked for it in public, but I sure don't see them turning it down

Is it because people both Nationwide, in fact, Worldwide have reached out to offer support to Al and his family during all this?

>based on Al's claim that HEX was stolen. His effective media campaign and his status as a UScA
>judge and AWDF President

And no one did that for you when your dog went missing?

>my dog has nothing to do with this. I didn't launch a media campaign and didn't cliam in public
>that my dog was STOLEN. The fact that you'd even bring my dog up shows how desperate
>you are becoming

Let it go Thomas...hate and jealousy and anger will not do anyone anything good. You are free to beleive what you want, and you are free to express your opinions as well, but don't expect to cram your logic and theories and petty jealousy down anyone elses throats.

>Silly silly little troll hiding behind a handle. There's no petty jealousy and no "trying to cram"anything

If people want to support this fund, they are free to do so. If they don't, they certainly don't have to.

And frankly, I don't care if you don't like "usernames". The mere fact that you took the time to try and find out who "gsdmom" is shows people a good reason to value their privacy.

>There was no effort to try to find out who GSD Mom is. Someone (who doesn't want to expose themselves
>to attacks from anonymous trolls like you) emailed me and said she was Al's wife. I googled the name
>Victoria R and nothing came up except someone living in Sao Paulo Brazil. Then GSD Mom tries to imply
>that's who she is by responding i n Spanish (got to love google translator) instead of Portugeses LMAO

>Trying to claim you're hiding behind a handle (or fake name) because you're afraid of being stalked is
>nonsense. NO one is being stalked. You're gutless cowards who don't want people to know what
>your agenda really is


> and "have a good day"


Thomas Barriano
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Can we just keep the personal attacks out of this and agree or disagree on the content, without the personal attacks? And FYI I see those attacks going both ways.

has just been posted

http://hexinformation.webs.com/index.htm

A very nicely done informational site without the hysteria found on the Face book.

I LIKE it


Thomas Barriano
Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT
Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC
Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I
Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I

Dobermannman wrote:

"has just been posted

http://hexinformation.webs.com/index.htm

A very nicely done informational site without the hysteria found on the Face book.

I LIKE it"

Glad to hear that, Dobermannman. Did you happen to notice the page where it states that, to date, *no* money has been used from the donation funds (both the direct donations as well as the monies from the bracelet sales)?  And that the monies are being overseen by a third party, in addition to Al Govednik?  And should any expenditures be paid for from the donation monies, an accounting of such will be posted?  Hopefully that will make you feel better as well.

Oh, and from what I've read, Al's wife's name is Marcia, not Victoria. Since I don't know either of them, however, I certainly could be wrong about that. :)

Thomas,

Never ever did I try to make you believe that I was the "Victoria" in Brazil, you ass-umed that, your post shows that. You said that I tried to make you believe that I was her, wrong again buck-o. Then you say that you got a PM from someone that said I was a Govednik, Als wife??? Boy for someone that has been picking him apart, you didn't even know his wifes name?. Wrong again. Wow, your just wrong all over. 

The great thing about being in AMERICA is that we have all kinds of rights, the RIGHT TO REMAIN SLIENT, the right to life, liberty and the persuit of justice to name a few. Might I suggest that you use some of those RIGHTS. 

Victoria aka GSDmom56

"Oh, and from what I've read, Al's wife's name is Marcia, not Victoria. Since I don't know either of them, however, I certainly could be wrong about that. :)"

"Boy for someone that has been picking him apart, you didn't even know his wifes name?."

SERIOUSLY?  if GSD Mom56 is Marcia G and trying to hide that fact. Would she be signing her real name or using a fake name like Victoria Rhetts?

Victoria

I know how you're so afraid of being stalked. But if your name really is Victoria Rhetts get ONE person who uses their real name to vouch for you?  Patiently waiting for the excuses

Hexe

Glad to see that no money has been spent yet. If it turns out that Hex wasn't stolen and was the victim of a tragic accident. I'd like to see the people that donated based on the belief that he was stolen (and murdered)
given the option of having their money returned. Maybe most will want the money used for some kind of Hex memorial or other good cause. They just should be offered the choice


Thomas Barriano

I *think* most of the money raised was from the sale of a memorial bracelt with the proceeds going to the fund.  Not sure if that is really a donation or not.  <shrug>  Money was being raised for an investigation, and I'd feel pretty tacky asking for my money back or to return a purchase if the results were not what I thought they should be or expected them to  be.   But you do seem to be quite concerned about the issue or non issue depending on the point of view.

Thomas, while I prefer for people to use their own name, the site does not require it and I think you are a bit out of line demanding that someone be vouched for.

  Does anyone  else who actually donated funds have anything to say?  It would be nice to hear from someone with a little actual "standing " to comment.    Personally, I donatd $100, and I have no issues with respect to the who/what/how of the handling of the funds.  

YES I bought lots of bracelets and have no problem with any of it.