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Jeff:

            If we were standing in front of one another and I wantted to say F-----U I would. But since the conversation has been on dogs and studs and breeding I,d say just the same as I posted.  

From the post,s and responses you,ve given on this thread I would say this if we were standing in front of one another "Your comment only shows your lack and understanding of genetics". 

 

Just because the bitch is on a trial field doesn't mean she is going to make good pups. Again, why wait till the bitch is 4 or 5 to find out if she is a good producer.

This is why we have breeding prerequisites ie. performance title, KKL, breed survey, AD, a-stamp
This is why there is a breed warden ( I called a breed warden and inquired about a possible breeding between west german sire and dam.  BW reply, I don't know anything about either dog, good luck with your breeding).
For whatever reason there is not a sharing of knowledge amoung breeders in the USA.  My personal belief is economics and competition for this lack of sharing. This is like making the wheel over and over again.  What combination produced small dogs, missing teeth.  This knowledge known in Germany. Because of the exchange of knowledge.

Nanu said something interesting. Not only can the sire reproduce himself but can we reproduce what the parents of the sire produced.

So, who has bred 20 litters or more on this thread ??
Come on now.  Since when does quantity equal quality.  My round trip commute is 110 miles a day.  This does not make me a race car driver.  So the only persons qualified to speak of this topic has to have produced some 100 plus pups?

So what conciderations do you use for a pairing? Or do you know it when you see it?

Kyle
 

 Quote: Come on now. Since when does quantity equal quality

Not about either, but anyone that has produced that many litters starts to see what works and what doesn't work. That is why I see a lot of "theoretical" statements on here about breeding. 

What I said about Asko would be the same in a PM. I just did not like the dog, but the training was good.

So you did not like the dog but can't give reasons why? When asked about a dog I can say I like the dog because he should this. Or I don't care for the dog because he showed me that.  When and where did you have the chance to meet the dog?

Lay off Jeff. I know what he means. I didn't get all gooey when I watched his dog's grandfather. Mostly prey and training. And the hold in the blind was powerless, looking at the handler after two barks per 10 seconds. To each, their own.

 There is a big difference between using an untitled bitch versus one that isn´t even tested I suppose, some breeders with more than a few litters use titled females sometimes just as they can use an untitled one, but the most important thing is that they don´t breed to totally untested and crappy bitches, this is the same in both mals and GSD breedings what I´ve seen. And who say those that breed mals and placing more value on the stud is more succesfull, not all malinois breeders do this and if they only work the males in some places they maybe aren´t that concerned if about 50% of a litter is mediocre as long as it has a few good males in it.

At least 2 year old I heard as a recommendation for a bitch to have the first litter, wating to long could be a problem if you want to have more than 1-2 litters from the same bitch I suppose, but for males I think it´s better to wait longer so you can see he hasn´t any genetic healthproblems that will show itself when he is more than a few years old, especially in this breed. I guess some then will argue if we wait to long he can´t be used so much, but is that so bad really, at least we then don´t see him in the majority of pedigrees later, like ferro for instances.

 Quote: And the hold in the blind was powerless, looking at the handler after two barks per 10 seconds.

I guess if you are used to seeing Sch dogs, then you would expect something different. Ever see the video of Bart Bellon's where the dog is barking "powerfully" at nothing but a ball dropper ?

The rules in FR state that the dog has to bark at least once. Why go through all the extra effort then ?

I guess that is what I am talking about with a "made" dog. if the helper kicked the dog and ran, like what happens in that video, how far would the helper get before the dog figured it out ?

It is also judging something based on something else.

What am I laying off by the way ? I am not sure I get the reference, unless you are an Asko fan.

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So you did not like the dog but can't give reasons why?

I thought he was a characterless **********. I saw a dog that one good kick to the head and he would fold like a lawn chair in a hurricane.

Many people like the dog, and when you don't go into all this other crap. It is just my opinion. I never got to take the dog out and kick him in the head to find out if I was wrong.

This is a final warning.  TOS # 9. Please keep your language clean and decent.

Moderators are not going to babysit every sentence.  If you don't clean up your language entire posts will simply be deleted so we don't have to go line-by-line through everything you write.

 Quote: From the post,s and responses you,ve given on this thread I would say this if we were standing in front of one another "Your comment only shows your lack and understanding of genetics".

I am talking about a dog that can produce really nice pups out of anything because he is prepotent enough to do so. THere are not a lot of those dogs. I am also not saying that anyone should breed a crappy female. I also hear this a lot from people that have not had a dog that "stamps" himself on his progeny. that would be the dog that I am talking about. I consider those to be stud dogs, and anything else is a good breeding dog, but that is just me. If we ever meet, feel free to tell me to blank myself, and I will laugh, as I am not really upset by that stuff at all. : )

Jeff, Made dogs do a B&H???????? The dog you showed bark and looks for his handler not keeping an eye on the decoy??? That's better??? The way I train the blind is a dangerous place for the dog. If he looses focus the helper makes him pay for it. The helpers a "bad guy". Why would you ever want your dog to take his eye off the bad guy? At least without you telling him? Never.