Ex-LAPD rampage... - Page 25

hexe, 

Thanks for your very interesting response.  I did not know that about Charlie Sheen reaching out... or was it the other way around?

Any way, I can see that the huge fiasco of the police (as they were under attack and overreacting), by a few individuals, is a boondoggle. Nothing worse could really have happened, true, to show police incompetence and perhaps lend credence to Dorner's gripes. I do see how pathetic it is, the misidentification and shooting of those poor women, who I might add, will end up not poor now, when this is all said and done. Not trying to be without compassion, just that I know they have a lawyer and there is no way they will lose on their complaint. They will be made whole and then some.

I think people need to also think in terms of the timeline, too. These women were shot in error at the start when the uncertainty and danger that were tied together, hit critical mass, I guess. That does not mean the same reaction has to be expected at every next altercation. If it was a similar scenario, the odds do go up, but that is I think because it is a pursuit thing. I am not a cop expert, really, lol, so bear with me.

So, why do I still think his surrender has always been an option? Simply because he never took a hostage. If he wanted to negotiate a surrender, wouldn't that have been the ticket to slow things down? Make it a conversation and not a gun battle? The fact he left survivors proves he could have taken hostages! He could have negotiated. Of course he knew this.

Also, it was heard on the live video, when he was in the cabin before the first tear gas canister, the sounds of firing gun shots, non-stop, popping in the background. I do believe he wanted the fight, is all. All his actions prove it, actually, IMHO

bee, apparently his writing contained a shout-out to Sheen, and Sheen put it out there that if Dorner wanted to call him and talk, he'd take the call. 

bee, apparently his writing contained a shout-out to Sheen, and Sheen put it out there that if Dorner wanted to call him and talk, he'd take the call. 

Hexe....Just right there...see, he had options! 

I know it is sad to have to say; that he started off serving his country with apparently noble thoughts, and left it feeling belittled. Still, when I weigh that against the widows and orphans and bereaved parents he created, my compassion is tested.



 

heaven help us all when Charlie Sheen is a viable option for saving a life...

Being in a situation where a suspect shot and killed my partner through his front door as we stood at the front porch announcing our presence for a Search Warrant; I believe Dorner could have given up.  As we dragged Jarrod who was still alive; I walked backwards covering the guys who pulled him to our "casualty collection" point and tried to save his life, we secured the perimeter of the house.  I and several other members on the entry team took cover and began calling the suspect out while others tried to stop the bleeding.  The medics were delayed by a train blocking the tracks and took 10 minutes to arrive on scene, Jarrod died during this time.  After 5 minutes of repeatedly calling to the suspect he exited the residence with his hands in the air.  I made contact with him and took him into custody unharmed.  There was no media, no cameras and he was not shot, not assaulted, not harmed at all.  We did our job as we trained.  I regret everyday not shooting him as he fired through a hole in his front door.  However, I did not see a gun in his hands and did not know if children were in the house, I knew as I stood there he was firing on us, but I did not have a clear target to return fire.  I also did not realize that my buddy standing to my right had been hit and was dying, he turned and grabbed the guy behind me and collapsed.  The suspect will be a free man in less than 5 years!  Jarrod's son just turned 8 and his daughter is 18 this year.  

I would like to think that the guys in San Bernardino would have been as professional (as hard as it is) as we were and would have let him walk out of that house unarmed to be held accountable for the innocent people he murdered.  I really do not think Dorner had any intention of surrendering or ending this peacefully; but if he did I hope he would have been taken into custody and treated appropriately and prosecuted for his actions.  

"I regret everyday not shooting him as he fired through a hole in his front door."

So, then two people would be dead over a warrant based on questionable probable cause and misdemeanor possession of marijuana.  That would be better?

Keith, I think he is talking about loyalty to his partner and the fact he wasn't able to be protected enough to survive an attack by someone who does not have any rules to follow.

Who said anything about questionable probable cause and misdemenaor possession of Marijuana?  It would have been better if the suspect had complied and opened the door, then two would be alive.  That would have been the best situation by far.  The next best secnario would have been the door opening with the first swing of the ram after waiting and giving dozens of announcements.  Then I would have seen him with the gun in his hand running up to the door, a police Officer would probably be alive today.  That would be the best outcome when a criminal decides to fire on the Police.  

My point was that I would like to think that if Dorner had decided to give up he could have been taken into custody with out incident.  Obviously, that was not Dorner's choice.  

I must say that some people are know it all douche bags.  

"The next best secnario would have been the door opening with the first swing of the ram after waiting and giving dozens of announcements."

Are you sure this is accurate? Are you sure it was a dozen announcements?