Von Erzengel Z littler Puppy with Major Genetic Defects - Page 25

"noob,

she paid 800 usd"

Very well, carry on then.

Hi Noob - do you think one of your LEO friends might be willing to help?  That would be marvelous.. :)

malinda

Yeah, why would the buyer want to come back to this board again so she can be ganged up on by all the friends of the breeder who just signed on?

"Hi Noob - do you think one of your LEO friends might be willing to help?  That would be marvelous.. :)"

malinda

PM me

How the heck did this get so complex?

It's not that hard, what does the contract stipulate?  If the pup must be returned to get the refund and the buyer agreed to it, end of story.  All this deliberate emotional blathering is a waste of time.

My understanding is that the contract required return of the dog if buyer was to be refunded.  So lets think about this.

We all feel for the buyer who gets a lame dog.  We all understand how difficult that is.  But guess what, it doesn't matter because the buyer agreed to have  emotional heartache and risk becoming attached to a dog that would have to be returned if it was sick/genetically faulty.

How many times have threads been started here with LEGITIMATE claims of the breeder not standing by their contract? More than a few.  Now we have situation where the BUYER will not live by the contract and people are saying that they shouldn't have to because they are attached to the dog.   Well, cry me a river.  Don't buy a dog if you can't live with the contract.

I've seen threads here about how important it is for the seller, buyer and the puppy to have a contract. But, if it's iffy whether anyone actually should abide by it then how is that a contract?

But, I didn't even understand what to look for in a contract. I'm more informed now after hanging around on this board. Maybe the buyer was really clueless when signing the contract and now is resentful about having to abide by it.

My personal feeling has been this person has been a "have your cake and eat it too" scam artist. I haven't seen anything in the way of good faith on the buyer's part. Just the opposite.

BTW-is this a record for length of thread, you think?

Blitzen - I agree with you about the pts thing.

I imagine there are others who wouldnt enter into a contract where they would have to return the pup - I know I wont...I would rather keep the pup through all those problems and alter them...and I know of breeders who have contracts that allow that - they wont refund the dog but they will put some money towards the price of another pup when they recieve proof of alteration.

zmcbba - I know you asked Brittany but I thought I would add something.  If the person no longer wanted the dog I would happily bring the dog back into my home and they would recieve a full refund - but if they chose to keep the dog I would honor that and put that money towards the purchase of another pup following reciept of proof that the animal was altered....not everyone is the same here - and I imagine there are many people who are 'love at first sight' types who would benefit more from that kind of arrangement.  And if I have really big doubts I would probably fly or drive myself out there to check -  some of the smaller airlines provide cheap, quick tickets which arent to hard to get ahold of.

Hec - DeeDee has heart murmurs, Jay has epilepsy (which we found out three weeks ago)...I like my defective dogs - and they have brought more joy into my family's lives than I could have ever imagined.  And I think also partially because of them I know that dogs that may not be what I paid for can still be wonderful family members or doggy soul mates despite the extra cost....I would much rather keep the pup, pay for the medical expenses, and have that money I paid get put towards another dog rather than having a faulted dog be pts by their breeder.

I guess thats just my emotional side of things though...I'm a bit of a bleeding heart when it comes to dogs....or anything for that matter.

~Cate

Malinda: Do you know who these people are?  How in the world did they get one of your pups...Kinda like the one here in Texas who has one of my babies, stuck in a weed patch, and got it on a www.puppyfind  site for sale  after He said it was for him ,and I looked him face to face and said   I do not sell my pups for resale...I want to know where they are and how being taken care of   These are my grandkids....and he left here bragged about the  high work drive and erased my name off reg and put the pup up for sale...I have been livid for weeks now and I acutally am afraid, now of this man...and havae a criminal trespass issued and there are charges pending from someone else...so I want my pupppy back too, He was the biggest and the highest drive in the litter, and was the pic of the liter, for another person , whose chose another ,so this man ended up with him......I was told to come get him and pay thru the uhhuh and I agreed and then he backed out and I dont know where the pup is...but he is registered with akc and he has to disclose where the pup is sold...Im waiting with bated breath....Malinda  I have cried many a tear , right here in good ole Texas     and It never leaves us...It comes out on this board when the subject like this come forth......Its hard to have tough love, but I had to....Ive had to hand a pup to the vet , walk out the door and never look back....only one , had megaesophagus?? and I have had one HD in Dallas, and I made her put him down, and I replaced it , and they bought two more  from me and Malinda, Col Richardson is withthe Mesquite Police Dept......

No ,I have three beautiful sables, but I bred them myself,,,, out of Larry Filo;s Busecker Schloss and Zilla Weithurchen girl and A Fluss Tal and Steinig Tal beginning , and one with the Pirol v Enclavehof intoduced into the dam side.......Ill email u later.......and give you my info.....I have a girl in the Seagoville club and one in the Alvin club and Gator Galveston co sher apprehension dog is sire of my Tiekerhook male , who produced one of the sable,  I think.....my heads spinning over this fiasco   .......

Do not give a refund until you speak to the vet in this state and that is treating this pup   Ive never know a vet that wouldnt get on the phone and discuss the pup with the breeder that produced the pup in question.....now an emergency room situation is different     no info, ...because you are the onwner......not the same........Id be on the phone in am    are the vet s names on the Xrays......? gosh   this is maddening....and Malinda , Im a redhead   and  Katie bar the door......I am suppose to have patience, butttttttt   when you mess with my dogs, my money, and my kids, or my rainbow vaacuum cleaner,,,,,look out......if I can help   , let me know   Ill email u in a bit...

Gud freggin' Lawd... this post has gotten out of whack.

It's clear that sometimes when the emotions are engaged, the brain shuts off.  Let's assume that Malinda made the stipulation in her contract that a puppy must be returned to get a refund.  OK, so those are the terms that were agreed to by the buyer.  If the buyer was NOT willing to abide by those terms, then she should not have bought the puppy from this breeder, or else suffer in silence with the consequences of HER (the buyer's) decision.

Posts like this make me glad I'm not a breeder myself.  Even when selecting good breeding stock, anomalies can happen. 

So, if the buyer is so committed to love the dog no matter the defects, why bother purchasing from a reputable breeder in the first place?  Pardon the inflamatory tone of this question... why not just get a puppy from the pound if you're determined to keep a sick dog alive to the bitter end?  Surely it's a waste of money to pay for a quality pedigree if you've already decided that you will keep a dog alive and suffering despite any serious physical defects?

Sorry, but none of the "softies" on this board will ever convince me it's in the puppy's best interest to keep it alive and miserable just so that I can get the warm fuzzies that I'm a kind person loving a sick animal.

Yvette