Where are Old style lines in America still available? - Page 22

Pedigree Database

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Smiley

by Smiley on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

I will add...that you are right GSD student. One should always see the dog in person; judge his temperament and health; look at offspring; because ads do not always give the whole story. 

Sarah

by joanro on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Gsdstudent, you have repeatedly advocated GSD owners get involved in dog clubs, do IPO, (sch), even remember you saying something like, even if it's AKC, "get involved", title, title, title, title...that's what you have said over and over again.
Now, here is posted the pedigree of a dog which you call a "mix-mash" of lines....and "don't be confused by the alphabet soup" ! So, which is it, titles are good, or titles are crap and confusing? The dog, Navigator, has crossed the barrier between the almighty SV titles and the 'lowly' AKC titles, and you call the titles "alphabet soup"! No dam wonder the breed is going to shit. A breeder can't win for loosing, is damned if they do and damned if they don't and titles are alphabet soup...unless they happen to be on your dog, I bet.

So, no matter what an owner accomplishes by "getting involved" and training and titling their progeny, the dog is still crap if it doesn't stand up to WHO's opinion?
This is BS.
Smiley, if you admire that dog, he has passed the tests of two opposing ideologies, passed health tests, and you like him, go see the breeder and talk to them and learn how they were able to "succeed" under such long odds, and forget about the doubts some people plant in the minds of ambitious people as yourself.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Gustav, when I first showed Star's pedigree to Fred Lanting, he lamented that Masko had had so little influence on the American dogs, and his bloodlines were now pretty much lost. Sad Smile

Paul - never said Jim was typical of the VA dogs of his era. He never would have won an AKC championship if he'd had a roached back! And  Blitzen, yes, if you look at the details, he doesn't look all that much like Masko, but with them both being German dogs, they look more alike than if I'd compared them to an ASL. (I have to confess I didn't look all that carefully at the details of their conformation before posting the photos... Red Smile)

I saw Jim in th flesh at the Canadian Nationals, and the first thing I said was 'That's a GERMAN dog!"  I think Helen or someone sympathetic to German lines must have been judging the shows where he earned his AKC championship. He certainly stood out as being 'different' when surrounded by American type dogs. That's why it's so hard for a German dog to win in the American ring. Anyone who's able to pull that off has my admiration! (And the same goes if they're able to go the other way and title an American dog in the SV or IPO arena.)

Smiley, you mentioned liking Dallas's progeny? Gator and Dallas have the same daddy, and that's Jimmy Moses (Dallas's handler) holding her leash!

Masko would be considered a West German showline today, but I'm not sure if that term was used back in the '60s. The breed hadn't really done the SL/WL split back then.
 

It's not just one faction of this breed that is bringing it down, it's a combination of all. Don't sit in you comfortable little circle of like minded breeders patting each other on the backs for jobs well done condemning those who don't breed your style/type of GSD.

Amen, Blitzen, amen!

by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Actually It took Helen almost 50 years to breed a Gator. It doesn't come fast or easy.

Thanks, Joanro. Hope you are doing great.

by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

My Am CH may be one of the few, or even the only American bred CH, to have a BH and an AD. She's a Navigator daughter. We try for a dog that can accomplish something in both venues.

by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Sun, I beleve JIm got his majors under Goldfarb and Waginer. He turned out to be a very good producer when combined with ASL's and ended up becoming the first German bred dog to earn his ROM for number of CH's produced. Not sure how many that took. Goes to prove that sometimes ASL x GSL click and there are some pretty good results. Hope springs eternal.......

by joanro on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Well, one of my progeny ran after a herd of deer, was gone forty eight (48) hours, managed to not get run over/hit by trucks and cars, and avoided getting shot by guys who mistook her for a coyote and who generally like to kill loose dogs. She got home all in one piece and didn't loose an ounce of weight. Talked to several people who spotted her, and she was as far away as five miles from home in the wilderness, didn't get killed by bears, mt lions or coyotes and when I caught up to her, called her to me, she trotted over to me from across the dirt road like nothing new...just trotting across the yard to me to slip her collar over her head. All she has is a CGC but that hasn't diminished her intelligence or instincts......
And yes, the prospects of running a herd of deer was stronger than my late response to call her off.

by gsdstudent on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Joanro; My request for people to be active is still the same. I am impressed by abrv. in front and behind a dog's name. It takes involvement to get a conformation degree in front, and a working title in back of the dog's name. I just hope to prod Smiley to look deeper into each abrv. to see if it is more than alphabet soup. This has been a busy thread. Where have all the old style dogs gone? you can not see them because of the titles like you can not see the forest because of the trees. Be a tree hugger, get up close and personal. 

by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 16:03

AKC OB titles are always more than alphabet soup, Student. Ever put a CD, CDX, UD, etc on one of your dogs? Then you would know that either the dog qualifies or it doesn't. No investigating of those titles needed to guarantee that they are genuine.  IPO/Sch title can be or could have been tweeked, so I'm not sure how anyone would verify their validity on ANY GSD. What do you suggest?  V ratings and AKC CH are subjective, so not really much to check out there either, is there?

Smiley

by Smiley on 25 March 2014 - 16:03

Nice ideas, everyone!

Sun...I just like the moderate, balanced look of Dallas progeny but admit I go not know about health or temperament of that line. They just don't seem so angular ed and some look like they could show in SV ring!

GSD- good points. There is nothing better than meeting dogs in person. I have to keep reminding myself that so thank you!

 





 


Contact information  Disclaimer  Privacy Statement  Copyright Information  Terms of Service  Cookie policy  ↑ Back to top