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by Smiley on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
Sarah
by joanro on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
Now, here is posted the pedigree of a dog which you call a "mix-mash" of lines....and "don't be confused by the alphabet soup" ! So, which is it, titles are good, or titles are crap and confusing? The dog, Navigator, has crossed the barrier between the almighty SV titles and the 'lowly' AKC titles, and you call the titles "alphabet soup"! No dam wonder the breed is going to shit. A breeder can't win for loosing, is damned if they do and damned if they don't and titles are alphabet soup...unless they happen to be on your dog, I bet.
So, no matter what an owner accomplishes by "getting involved" and training and titling their progeny, the dog is still crap if it doesn't stand up to WHO's opinion?
This is BS.
Smiley, if you admire that dog, he has passed the tests of two opposing ideologies, passed health tests, and you like him, go see the breeder and talk to them and learn how they were able to "succeed" under such long odds, and forget about the doubts some people plant in the minds of ambitious people as yourself.

by Sunsilver on 25 March 2014 - 15:03

Paul - never said Jim was typical of the VA dogs of his era. He never would have won an AKC championship if he'd had a roached back! And Blitzen, yes, if you look at the details, he doesn't look all that much like Masko, but with them both being German dogs, they look more alike than if I'd compared them to an ASL. (I have to confess I didn't look all that carefully at the details of their conformation before posting the photos...

I saw Jim in th flesh at the Canadian Nationals, and the first thing I said was 'That's a GERMAN dog!" I think Helen or someone sympathetic to German lines must have been judging the shows where he earned his AKC championship. He certainly stood out as being 'different' when surrounded by American type dogs. That's why it's so hard for a German dog to win in the American ring. Anyone who's able to pull that off has my admiration! (And the same goes if they're able to go the other way and title an American dog in the SV or IPO arena.)
Smiley, you mentioned liking Dallas's progeny? Gator and Dallas have the same daddy, and that's Jimmy Moses (Dallas's handler) holding her leash!
Masko would be considered a West German showline today, but I'm not sure if that term was used back in the '60s. The breed hadn't really done the SL/WL split back then.
Amen, Blitzen, amen!It's not just one faction of this breed that is bringing it down, it's a combination of all. Don't sit in you comfortable little circle of like minded breeders patting each other on the backs for jobs well done condemning those who don't breed your style/type of GSD.
by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
Thanks, Joanro. Hope you are doing great.
by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
by joanro on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
And yes, the prospects of running a herd of deer was stronger than my late response to call her off.
by gsdstudent on 25 March 2014 - 15:03
by Blitzen on 25 March 2014 - 16:03

by Smiley on 25 March 2014 - 16:03
Sun...I just like the moderate, balanced look of Dallas progeny but admit I go not know about health or temperament of that line. They just don't seem so angular ed and some look like they could show in SV ring!
GSD- good points. There is nothing better than meeting dogs in person. I have to keep reminding myself that so thank you!
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