Von Erzengel Z littler Puppy with Major Genetic Defects - Page 21

I've held off on offering an opinion here, because it's really hard to form a concrete judgement without seeing the pup, but this latest post really is bothering me. You know, Malinda, I'm starting to think you may be right that we're dealing with von Munchenhausen Syndrome by proxy. Something is NOT right here! If this dog is as sick as she says it is, the kindest thing to do is PUT IT TO SLEEP!!  Why is she dragging this out, unless she gets some perverse kick from it? 

triodegirl:   so, why would you not have ever returned the pup to the breeder?  Are you a breeder triodegirl?  Do you have any idea how it is to love and raise the parents, whelp that litter all night, take care of them, love them, feed them, play with t hem, clean up after them for weeks only to send one to what we hope is a new and happy home?   Then have that home say there is something wrong?

Through your mind runs, what is wrong? what happened? How can I help? What do I need to look at?  The anguish of having someone like you say  you would be refuse to honor the agreement to even give you (the breeder) the CHANCE to make things right? To see what is going on with a breeding? With a puppy?  Then month after month innundate you with constant complaints and maladies all of which have been unsubstantiated, bash you in various places and still refuse to give you the opportunity to make it right?  Do you, triodegirl,  have ANY idea of what that is like?

YOu think this was about MONEY? about NOT CARING?  Tell me how many litters you  have bred and what you would have done with this.

I DID EVERYTHING I COULD TO MAKE THIS RIGHT AND NOTHIG WAS GOOD ENOUGH.  PERIOD.

So, you can feel "sad" triodegirl for this pup as do I.  I feel sad that time after time this woman has taken this dog to the vet and continually kept this deformed mutant dog alive (IF THAT IS AT ALL TRUE! NOT EVEN THE RADIOGRAPHS WERE MARKED WITH A CLIENT NAME) and not cared piddly squat for the breeder too!

If this would have been me and I was the customer and had received great customer service and a good price on what should have been a nice dog.  I would have contacted the breeder and said "I'd like to send him back. He is beautiful , but there is something wrong... What can you do to help me?" and all would have been taken care of.

But, drama is contagious and interesting. 

So, triodegirl, if you ever do breed, I hope you never have to go through this.  There is more heartbreak here than you are giving credit. 

Don't comment before you walk in another's shoes.  Many of the long time breeders on this forum have written to me and said they have gone through this same thing.  We have all been here.  We all try to do the right thing.  But, the breeder that doesn't say anything and just doesn't return calls, respond on open public forums go with only a little controversy and still out there breeding.

Triodegirl: before you decide to chime in on decisions and advice, you should consider that the other side (breeder) has a lot at stake too and plenty of tears and heartbreak as well.

malinda

PS: yellowrose - I do apologize for thinking you were talking about me.  You have the beautiful sable female GSD you got from CL right?

Yes Malinda,

you hold your chin up high. You have nothing to be ashamed of. You have not been smeered as far as I'm concerned. You have put countless hours and experience into your dogs, and they inturn go out and protect our public while they sleep, keep our children's school drug free, fine our missing children and missing loved ones  and keep our airports safe.  That is something you can't put a price on. These officers that have your dogs at their side rest easy knowing they can count on what you have produced and what you have trained. I for one am very happy that my son, with whom I couldn't be prouder of will have a k9 partner that you have trained and continue to train at his side. I will sleep better at nite knowing that if necessary he will lay down his life for my son to protect him if need be. I am proud to call you my friend and to stand by you in this matter. Thank you for what you and your entire family do for us.

GOD BLESS YOU...

Debbie

Dear all - this has been so emotional for me.  After reading Deb's post I am sitting here in a blaze of tears.  I do do this... I have devoted my whole existence to producing and training and handling THAT DOG who would offer his own life for one of my officers.   I can barely type now because of being so crazy with grief and anger, humiliation and pride.

My dogs may not be perfect but I have them out there.  I have them here doing what I feel is a job of honor.  I take that seriously. Yes, I show them and compete them in non LE venues,but that is to prove a point!!!  These working dogs can be beautiful, bright and trainable and social! Even dual purpose ones!  And yes, red and blacks can work and sables can show!

I am beside myself.  Thank you Debbie K9cop5 and OOwlinn for such heart touching statements.  It just rings so true.  I just have to take a break from this.

I want my puppy back.

mj

Like I said yesterday!

You should have taken the return the second day you had the pup.  M.J. offered the return and you did not take it. 

How can 3 vets say that this could have been seen at 8 weeks and you could not see it at 9?  How could you sit there and turn down repeated attempts of return.  If all this is true(healthwise), Then why did it take 7months to realize and bring it up on here?  I think this is a crock!

If you are looking for sympathy, there will be none from me.  If this puppy is really in this state, you are at fault yourself for not easing the pain.  You come on here, lie and try to make someone look horrible.  you were offered a return and you were worried that Malinda would put it to sleep.  Don't you think that would have been the wisest decision?    Are you really worried about your puppy, or are you that self-centered? 

Blitzen

I would have returned it that second day, no questions asked!  I have had too many dogs go through my life, to waste multiple years with a messed up dog.    If it is really that bad off, only a self-centered acehole would keep it alive!

I have been reading this and can't stand it anymore.

My heart goes out to this little puppy.  It enrages me that the owner of this pup spews so much crap, but still refuses to put this pup out of his misery.

First and formost having worked previously in vet clincs as a surgical vet nurse for years...I must say that I would surely investigate a vet who uses the diagnosis of "bad breeding".  WTF...really!

Sorry, but this infuriates me.  Where is the bloodwork from before?  You said you took the pup to the ER last night and they ran blood work and apparently an EKG of some sort to diagnosis the heart arrithymia.

I would have thought this would have been standard workup from the vet prior.  You come on here saying that your vet's are saying this is bad breeding.  "Bad breeding" is not a medical diagnosis.  Hip dysplasia is.  If a vet I took my dog to chaulked my pups problems up to "bad breeding" as a diagnosis...I would run like the wind out of there and find a vet who doesn't have their head up their ass.

I understand you love your pup...but if you do, then it's time to think about letting the pup go.  Why are you allowing the suffering to continue?  Just because you are angry and sad does not give you the right to prolong the agony of this innocent creature, nor does it allow you to dishonor a contract into which you entered freely with intent and not against your will.

Everyone on here that owns or has owned a GSD knows that there are NO guarantees, just hoping for the best.  Breeding to the best standard possible to try to ensure healthy animals.  NO guarantees.

As far as I know, the breeder did not hide the pedigree, and she is trying to uphold her end of the contract. 

Do the right thing for this dog, stop punishing this dog and the breeder.

my 2 cents. 

Don, ITA!! I tend to be very soft-hearted. It goes with my profession (nursing). But if I paid $800 for a pup, and found it had major health issues, that would be it!! It would go flying back to the breeder before I could get attached to it!  Heck, even if it were a pound puppy, or rescue, I wouldn't hesitate to euthanize it if it had major health issues that were going to cost me a small fortune, and still not result in a fairly normal quality of life for the dog!  I buy a dog because I want to do normal 'doggy' things with it, like walking, training, etc., not so I can be its nursemaid!

Something is not right here!

Well I was going to chime in for all it's worth at this point, but the the wise Don C took the words out of my mouth. 

And YES, Blitzen, I would have sent the pup back immediately, and if the breeder didn't want the puppy back for the terms of the refund then I would put him down to prevent further suffering.  It is beyond me how some people have deluded themselves to believe it is "love" to keep a poor dog alive who is terribly sick and has no hope at a happy healthy life.  Why make him suffer for even longer?  How selfish!

Malinda, if there can be a silver lining to this dark cloud, at least you have had a chance to present your side and show your colors.  You've said everything I think you can say.  Let go, move on, and try to put this ugly experience behind you.

Yvette

Hi Taunya,

We purchased Wolfe from Malinda. I agree with everything you said about the buyer refusing the refund. It shows to me that she is accepting full responsibility for the dog and wants to keep it.

Pretty good post for your first time.

Mandy 

Yes, let's all continue to bash the owners instead of trying to figure out what we can do to help. And might as well bash me, too, if it will make y'all feel better.

To the owners of ZACH: If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.

suekraft@new.rr.com