Where are Old style lines in America still available? - Page 20

Suzie, all it takes is ONE judge to reward a certain look and everyone who wants to win will start breeding for it.
In the world of bodybuilding, a world i know well, all it took was a judge who liked a certain bone dry look and people who wanted to win, killed themselves to get it.
The same thing happened in tbe dog world and will continue to happen until some judge stands up, but, THAT won't happen.

Gsdstudent, funny you shoud say that! Today I clicked on the link for a German dog back in the '60s, and was amazed by how much he looked like Dan Smith's Jim v. Fiemereck, who was born in 1995!



VA2/CAN SELECT/US CH Jim vom Fiemereck 
SCHH3 ROM
 Kkl 1 



VA2/U.S. CH. Masko vom Königstein 
SCHH3
 Kkl 1 

Gigante....thank you!!

The website link is the one I found with the funky text. It is clear until you hit our dogs and the page is unreadable. I will try Facebook link you posted....

Hired dog; it never requires one judge to change a ''style''. It happens over years.The owners and breeders of the GSD control the breed. Judges should be experience peers!  if you study the dog [ not just the GSD] in motion you will see that to maintain balance a dog must have its head forward and lower in gaits like trot or gallop. In my studys of ''show trends'' I met an old time dog show photographer for AKC events. He specialized in the GSD. He told me about a dog who ran around the ring with his head high. It was the 1960s. Not the normal lower head carriage. He said this dog had ''showmanship'' and got attention from the GSD fancy. Everyone wanted a dog to gait like this and the ''show changed''. The forces a dog must manage to gait correctly are the same as they always have been, fight gravity and be balanced. We control our breed. Through changes in work, drive, conformation, why do we blame anyone else? We have met the enemy and it is us.

Sun
You should take a better look at the other V and VA dogs of the 60's and you will find them much different. the example gives the impression not much has changed, and the change is tremendous.

Have a great day.
Paul

the man with "Masko v Konigstein'' is Bill Leonard. He was a breeder when i got into the GSD who fought the flow to "Lance of Franjo'' as the only blood in the AKC show ring. Mr Leonard went to the German Sieger show every year and brought back German dogs he thought were good breed specimens to compete in the American ring. He was not a trainer. He would get mad at the politics in the AKC ring. He would loose his temper to the point where I seem to remember it came to fists! He then got even with the politians, he became a AKC conformation judge! get involved and then evolve! 

hired dog; I get your point! but if the majority of breeders knew what was correct and refused to breed convention the breed would not change so dramaticly. It is the GSD breed which controls the direction, not judges.

Bill Leonard was in Princeton area of NJ. He did have some nice imports, of which one or two finished in AKC ring. He had a nice Marko  v Cellerland son/grandson that I contemplated breeding to. He tried to influence the AKC conformation world into more moderate, and better tempered dogs, but his dogs were largely ignored by the AKC breeders even though he became an AKC judge. He truly followed GSDstudents recipe for participation in that world and evolving....the amount of impact he had on that world......GSD people have to be the judge.