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by Blitzen on 07 May 2007 - 14:05

Aspergillosis in dogs is fairly common in the southern areas of the US. It's not a fun disease to treat. I knew the owners of a few dogs that developed it. Their owners felt they were dogs that always had their noses to the ground sniffing and snorting. As far as I know, there are only a few vets in the entire country with any type of success rate curing it when it is in the nasal passages. The treatment consists of inserting a series of drains into the nasal cavities and injecting an antifugal drug into the sinuses via those drains. It can take months to cure, sometimes it never is cured, and the dog looks like some sort of Frankenstein creation. They need to be guarded day and night to assure they don't tear out their drains.....it is a nightmare. Treating it costs as much as it costs to feed a 3rd world country for a year and many dogs end up PTS anyway. I haven't heard that it primarily affects immunosuppresed and elderly dogs, but that would seem to make sense since fungus is one of those nasty opportunistic organisms. The one dog I knew that was treated successfully was around 10 years of age and he later died from lymphosarcoma, so that might indicated he was immune suppressed from the start. Hate to even mention this, but some, like me, might even consider that vaccinations could cause a young dog to become immunosuppressed. Just a theory yet unproven.

by k9dog on 07 May 2007 - 14:05

DKiah: When we took the pup in at 8 weeks the condition was not present, at the 12 weeks vet visit for the rabies, booster it was present, it was nothing the vet "missed" at 8 weeks. Why it shows up at 12 wks and not at 8 wks I really don't have an answer for that. According to Cornell the condition presents itself at 12 weeks and beyond. Many affected dogs do not have VA after 24 mos. As I said the cardiologist told us that the pup if he made it past 6 months of age he would have a 50/50 chance of outgrowing this condition. (don't confuse this with heart murmur) But he died right at 6 months of age. I have about 4-5 pages in regards to this inherited arrhythmias, (from Cornell) I will scan my pages to email and if anyone is interested I would be more than happy to email copies of what I have to those of you the info so we can all be aware of this problem. Blitzen is correct its no one's fault. Its inherited and from what I understand Cornell is doing studies to see which bloodlines is carrying this defect, in order to try and stamp out this defect in the German Shepherd breed. Per Cornell the studies done thusfar ar dogs throughout the US and from seven European countries.

by Blitzen on 07 May 2007 - 14:05

It might be a good idea to share this information and a pedigree with the vets at Cornell who are researching this. Lucky for the breed there is an interest. Cornell is one fo the best vet colleges in the country.

by DKiah on 07 May 2007 - 15:05

Sorry k9dog, misinterpreted your post.. so it was present and acknowledged.. guess I missed that... Had no intention of blaming anyone but I have found many vets getting lazy and sort of blase about things and I think its something we have to be on top of... that was the only reason for my mention of it at all Blitzen, I would agree on the vaccination thing and I think Jean Dodds has gone a long way indetermining that overvaccinating has done the exact opposite of what its intention was.... Every litter I learn something new and I am vaccinating pups now later and later and with less "stuff".....

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 07 May 2007 - 17:05

This is the first of any of my litters in 14 years of breeding to die like this....I was furious that the man never told me he had no fence and was tying the dog on a lline....a no no unless your training...THE pup is out of My old Busecker Schloss, Weiturchen, and Fluss tAL, BRED TO an Orthos Tiekertook & Anika Fuerstenburg boy and the sire is my Jada SteffenHaus and Pirol Enclavehof boy I had a pup out of a bitch not bred by me but that I purchased and bred to someone elses sire, not mine and she had a heart murmur...I replaced her and the lady that I gave her to is amazed at 1 1/2 at her drive and shes okay at this point...I have never produced anything llike this except for the bloat factor, which only my own girl and boy died of at 24 mos, and two at 8 years old....I hope the people will do a neucropsy. I know my pups are always big and healthy and have vet checks, but when undetermined factors cant be found, it just happens.....I try to educated owners as to feeding tips, wet the food, feed a calm dog, no water when hot except a cup till dog cools, and and excited dog fed small amounts three times a day instead of once a day.....People need to educate themselves....the heart or the tortion are my two suspicions. According to the owner, she had just played with the kids and he tied her back up and she had water and then he fed her.....red alert.....to me was feeding immediately after exercising with kids....I mentioned it and he said he has two males in the front yard and he never wets their food and they are 3 and 4 years old....for his info this is a pup out of one of the highest drive lines and you can't treat these shepherds like any ole other shepherd....I feel sorry for them as there are 3 children that witnessed this......I suggested he replace her after he fences in a space in his back yard and I will help him get info to further his education on how to do some things that he was unaware of He did not know what bloat or tortioning was....I have been a fortunate breeder to this point not to have this worry to bear, but will await the outcome hopefully if they will spend the money to find out.......Thanks Blitzen I ve been up to my ears with pups, church choir presentations, a sick son, older ones are worse than when they were kids, and a body that just wont move like it use to...have not been on my computor to join in the wonderful database we have and hats off to Oli, it really nice , all the new change, that I so surprisingly found last night when I logged on....asap I will let all know what I find out.....

by Blitzen on 07 May 2007 - 17:05

I hated selling puppies, YellowRose. I sold a dog to a cardiologist who said he had a fenced-in yard. That was back when I trusted people at their word, so never paid him a visit and stupid me didn't even ask how tall that fence was. Well, before long that dog was jumping over the 3 foot fence and crossing a very busy 4 lane PA interstate highway. I will never know how he did that without getting blitzed by a car, but he did it more than once. Go figure....I took him back.

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 May 2007 - 00:05

I took back one last year that stayed in a trailor house with a lazy woman who  fed him ole roy, and then when his skin and hair went to pot at 6 mos old and he had diahrea from worms, fleas and eating carpet, plastic, rubber, cats, birds (17) and never went outside, I got a call that he had dermadectic and I came unglued......6 cats and 17 birds in this trailor and she was giving him herbs like garlic , and 10 others....never followed my instructions and I said bring him to me.....she did and fast to my vet who skin tested him and before I ever got him there I wormed, bathed and cleaned ears with mites, gave him a shot  7-1 as a percaution and the vet laughted ...Hes not dermadectic........hes a bag of bones infected with stagph and need his ganny to get him back to health   ....she wanted to know if Id replace him.....I told her , yes , with  a writ of Habeas corpus"  get out of town or to jail you go lady, for cruelty to an animal and violation of 16 state of Texas Health laws.......Ive had a bad year for people that don't follow directions and dont know how to take care of my beloved bloodlines....I cant even fathom how people pay so much for a good gsd and end up following Dollar General rules..........I have a 2  1/2 old for sale now......fabulous boy whose family split and mamma couldnt control the gsd because no one ever disciplined or crate trained him   She threathen to euthanize him because the husband ran off with the  young thing" and I told her to "euthanize the husband " not my gsd....so hes on the porch , in my kitchen, riding in my pu, eating his way back into Ganny's heart , but I am strong and know he will go as soon as the right person comes along.....

by 1doggie2 on 08 May 2007 - 02:05

Ya know it is a shame, you can not take more money, and each year that that they have the pup and is healthy, you could give a refund. Could call it a GSD Pension and if they do not preform the funds are there to help nurse them back. I also think these owners should be black listed from every owning another.

I am so sorry for your loss, I do hope they find out what the cause.


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 May 2007 - 03:05

Well, we will never know what happened,,I just called the owner and he just buried her.......didnt even take her to the vet.....Black list him I will  he wont get another of my pups, thats for sure.........I have another customer that will never get a pup , and for the next ten years she can call every time the sun comes up , but I will never have a female pup available.....fresh out......all sold, .....sorry maam" the boat left yesterday.......now Im mad instead of sad .....gotta go hug my 5 week old babies and tell them I'm gonna keep them all.....so they dont get put on a long line in some nuts backyard and die a lonely death.....Ill have nightmares over this one...Im getting too old for all this nonsense....why can't people treat a gs like a child   I think Ill call him and ask him to go tie his three children up on a stake in the back yard and see how long they llive like that......If u hear about a senior citizen in TYLER, Texas going to jail over a gsd puppy it will be me......later...





 


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