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by happyday on 30 July 2009 - 15:07
Any dog can compete in schutzhund - a club doesn't check for breed standards - they look for dedication from a handler and if the dog can do it - he can compete....standards isn't part of the criteria to get a Schutzhund title....
by bondos mom on 30 July 2009 - 18:07
Any idea why GSD Justice says he cant or wont be able to compete? This is a photo with him and my daughter when he was about 4 months old.......if it helps any!! Thanks!.jpg)
by habanaro on 30 July 2009 - 18:07
Again if your dog can do the work it does not matter. The coat length is not in standard ..so it is a fault. If you are not breeding it it is not a big deal go out and enjoy your dog. Your first dog is rarely perfect so go out and learn with and enjoy your dog. The things you learn with each dog can hopefully be applied so that even though each dog will have a special place in your heart you can learn so that your next dog will be even better. Only by each person working to learn about our breed can we learn how to best improve it
Jeff Govednik
Jeff Govednik
by happyday on 30 July 2009 - 20:07
I would have the idea that "Justice" is a fool. Justice has absolutely no knowledge of schutzhund, doesn't belong to a schutzund club and never has had a puppy that he/she has trained in schutzhund...That is why Justice said this..
If you want to train your dog in schutzhund - don't let anyone tell you- you can't.... Don't let people look at your pup and say that dog sucks - that dog has no drive - which I don't know your puppy - you haven't stated anything about the temperament of the pup - but even with a laid back - low drive dog - you can do schutzhund. Don't get me wrong - high drive is what you want - but you can work with what you got - and that dog is a puppy - you don't know what you will have when that dog is two years old.....
I don't need a picture to say "can this dog compete"- if you want to train that dog in schutzhund - find a club to guide you- then get started...
Tell us about the dogs temperament...we don't need to know that he has long hair...lol
Happyday
If you want to train your dog in schutzhund - don't let anyone tell you- you can't.... Don't let people look at your pup and say that dog sucks - that dog has no drive - which I don't know your puppy - you haven't stated anything about the temperament of the pup - but even with a laid back - low drive dog - you can do schutzhund. Don't get me wrong - high drive is what you want - but you can work with what you got - and that dog is a puppy - you don't know what you will have when that dog is two years old.....
I don't need a picture to say "can this dog compete"- if you want to train that dog in schutzhund - find a club to guide you- then get started...
Tell us about the dogs temperament...we don't need to know that he has long hair...lol
Happyday
by bondos mom on 30 July 2009 - 22:07
well, right now I'd say he is "lazy"!! Not much drive....he loves to tug on a blanket, but wont try real hard to "win". He went for shots yesterday and vet said he's
healthy, and said he's basically using all of his energy for growing right now...plus he is cutting teeth so the vet also said that the tenderness and pain from that will make him less active. I was concerned because he is so big for his age but the vet says that is not from overfeeding that he is just a big boy, big boned. I just thought I'd try the Schutzhund and if he enjoys it we will continue. I am not much of a trainer on my own so I thought there I could learn and have help. I put a picture on because there were different comments regarding coats, so I thought if they were valid a pic. would help. As far as temperment he is the best baby in the world. I have worked with him a LOT because I have a 3 yr. old granddaughter and he HAS to be gentle with her. You can litterally take a piece of steak out of his mouth, do anything with him you want to do...another thing my vet was very impressed with. I dont think for a minute his temperment would be a problem , unless for some reason they need to have a MORE aggressive temperment, if anything, I would worry he'd just want to lay around and watch the other dogs!! It's almost like he figures why should he run after the toy, one of the other dogs will bring it back, anyway!! But he is only 5 months old, so maybe when he is finished teething and growing so much he will have more energy????
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healthy, and said he's basically using all of his energy for growing right now...plus he is cutting teeth so the vet also said that the tenderness and pain from that will make him less active. I was concerned because he is so big for his age but the vet says that is not from overfeeding that he is just a big boy, big boned. I just thought I'd try the Schutzhund and if he enjoys it we will continue. I am not much of a trainer on my own so I thought there I could learn and have help. I put a picture on because there were different comments regarding coats, so I thought if they were valid a pic. would help. As far as temperment he is the best baby in the world. I have worked with him a LOT because I have a 3 yr. old granddaughter and he HAS to be gentle with her. You can litterally take a piece of steak out of his mouth, do anything with him you want to do...another thing my vet was very impressed with. I dont think for a minute his temperment would be a problem , unless for some reason they need to have a MORE aggressive temperment, if anything, I would worry he'd just want to lay around and watch the other dogs!! It's almost like he figures why should he run after the toy, one of the other dogs will bring it back, anyway!! But he is only 5 months old, so maybe when he is finished teething and growing so much he will have more energy????
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by Steve Leigh on 31 July 2009 - 01:07
CLARIFICATION:
A SCHUTZHUND title is available to any dog – from a 6# teacup poodle to a 300# Fatweiler. There’s only ONE criteria: can/will the dog pass the tests specified in the SCHUTZHUND rulebook?
A mongrel (such as my Bar dog) had totally unknown lineage – no idea who his father or mother were – THUS – he could not ever be registered with an organization such as AKC. Regarding Schutzhund – the SPORT - this means NOTHING – absolutely nothing – in terms of putting SchH titles on him. I applied for a scorebook, entered trials, and titled him. He was a mongrel from a dog pound. He was NOT a PROVABLE, full blood German Shepherd. One look at his pictures will prove that, beyond any doubt.
In contrast, a BREED SURVEY has at least ONE basic requirement: the dog must be REGISTERED as a specific breed. Understand that a BREED SURVEY is not – repeat NOT – a SchH trial. Instead, it is an EXAMINATION of the dog to (laughingly) determine if he is breed-worthy.
So think about 2 different issues: WORKING and BREEDING. Can you go to the dog pound and buy a $25 mongrel, train and trial him, and obtain SchH degrees? ABSOLUTLEY YES. Is the mongrel “approved” by ANY organization for breeding purposes? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Steve Leigh
www.sl-prokeys.com
A SCHUTZHUND title is available to any dog – from a 6# teacup poodle to a 300# Fatweiler. There’s only ONE criteria: can/will the dog pass the tests specified in the SCHUTZHUND rulebook?
A mongrel (such as my Bar dog) had totally unknown lineage – no idea who his father or mother were – THUS – he could not ever be registered with an organization such as AKC. Regarding Schutzhund – the SPORT - this means NOTHING – absolutely nothing – in terms of putting SchH titles on him. I applied for a scorebook, entered trials, and titled him. He was a mongrel from a dog pound. He was NOT a PROVABLE, full blood German Shepherd. One look at his pictures will prove that, beyond any doubt.
In contrast, a BREED SURVEY has at least ONE basic requirement: the dog must be REGISTERED as a specific breed. Understand that a BREED SURVEY is not – repeat NOT – a SchH trial. Instead, it is an EXAMINATION of the dog to (laughingly) determine if he is breed-worthy.
So think about 2 different issues: WORKING and BREEDING. Can you go to the dog pound and buy a $25 mongrel, train and trial him, and obtain SchH degrees? ABSOLUTLEY YES. Is the mongrel “approved” by ANY organization for breeding purposes? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Steve Leigh
www.sl-prokeys.com
by bondos mom on 31 July 2009 - 01:07
o.k. let me see if I understand the above.... Rock can definitely participate in Shutzhund. He IS AKC but the only titled dogs are 3 or 4 generations back. Because he is longcoat, he would not pass the "test" of being "breed worthy", no matter how he "measures" up in any other aspect of that "test"? Is that correct? Is there any rules within AKC regarding breeding longcoats? My vet "guesstimated" he would mature at around 110 lbs., so since he is so large, EVEN IF the rules were not as they are regarding longcoats, could he be considered "breed worthy" because of his size? One other thing....when/where are the dogs "examined" for breed worthiness...is that anything to do with or included in Shutzhund or seperate from that? Thanks so much everyone for helping me learn!! Your knowledge and help is appreciated more than you know!!
by steve1 on 31 July 2009 - 01:07
Young Goran is a Long Coat, Nothing to do with what coat a Dog has to Compete in Schutzund, He has his BH and his AD and going on fast towards his SchH1
He has his work books which are signed etc by the Judge
Steve
He has his work books which are signed etc by the Judge
Steve
by bondos mom on 31 July 2009 - 01:07
Do you know what, if any, the rules are with AKC regarding breeding and registering longcoats? Does Schutzhund take any "action" against a longcoat breeder if they breed the dog (assuming the dog is titled in Schutzhund) Also, I understand that every dog is different, but what would you say is the "average" time of trainig before a dog goes before a judge for the first time, and if he passes, what is that "title"? Again, thanks so much!!
by happyday on 31 July 2009 - 02:07
Schutzhund is a sport - like football - it doesn't look at the dogs color, size or coat length - it is ob, tracking and protection - it is a handler training the athelete to do a routine - the bh can be obtain at 15 months - that is the first title in schutzhund - then at least 18 months for Sch I, at least 19 months for Sch II, and at least 20 months for Sch III.
These times frames are "at least" but some dogs take longer and some dogs are ready before the time frames - but it is alot of work on these time frames I just listed - a lot of work...
These times frames are "at least" but some dogs take longer and some dogs are ready before the time frames - but it is alot of work on these time frames I just listed - a lot of work...
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