ED xrays Elbows give me your judge - Page 2

CT scans are better at diagnosing FCP.

I can see fuzziness in them, but how are you seeing enough to see "much change..." ?? Can you draw arrows on an enlarged photo please, fring? That would be excellent if you don't mind :)

x-ray good fro at least two component of FCP (fissure,frakture). SV not accept CT, x-ray only, but SV reasarch with CT check after evaluation much support x-ray  interpretation. keep in mind, the suspecting of defect, especially in FCP componets , is valuated much like definitive defect. tellhelm explain that many times.

right elbow not much different. is very bad ED.

That is even smaller than the first, haha! But thank you for doing that. I can at least see that you're pointing to the same spot I *thought* they might question, but I really can't tell.

I know SV doesn't accept CT- that's not what I was saying. I was just saying that it's a more definitive way of diagnosing it, as you said, because suspected defect is rated the same as definitive. We have that in the USA as well, but there was a situation where a woman PROVED with CT that there was no defect where OFA had suspected and she was able to get them to reverse the rating.

I am going to try to save these and blow them up and see what I see. To me, this is an interesting case. THANK YOU :)

I was able to enlarge that photo. Yes, sadly...I see it. :-(

Can you post the enlarged photo, Jen? It IS an interesting case, and an educational one.

My condolences to the OP on the outcome; your disappointment is most understandable, such news is never welcome whether it's about a breeding/show/sport prospect or a family pet.

Hopefully, the dog will still have a long and otherwise healthy life as someone's beloved and active companion.

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is difficult with translation to express detail but case you describe with OFA not much likely with SV. with SV, ED evaluation incorporate heavy predictive component (HD also but not so much) especially for FCP. so CT proof that defect not exist today not change tellhelm mind very much and at most one level. this why it is very important to have ideal contrast of ED pictures first time.

Actually, fring, OFA does use prediction as well, but as they have an ever-changing panel of 3 graders, there is wide discrepancy which angers a lot of people. There was a study about grade 1 elbows as graded by OFA and their heritability vs. worse grades and it was very interesting- unfortunately, it has been taken down. Contained in it was the story of the dog scanned to show what OFA "thought" was a problem was indeed not.

Oh my gosh!!! I found it again!

http://www.semperfiridgebacks.com/Elbow%20Room%20Ridgeback%20Register%202013.pdf

my english comprehension much limited but in article i not see that OFA change rating or kennel club change mind. instead breeder decide that personal interpretation from CT better than OFA opinion and use that as rational to breed otherwise not breeding allowed female, no?

i not know much about OFA since OFA elbow evaluations not on grading scale and not compatible with SV, RSV2000, or most FCI member rating scales.