Bad nerves - Page 2

I don't engage ignorance!

 @Susie... I think you posted that link on the wrong thread? You wanted "titles"?

 

@Gustav.  Great advice!

Thanks, Bee...

I used a hypothetical scenario and a male gorilla as an example to make a point. even if I had a dog that engaged a gorilla ( which requires a lot of courage ) some idiot trainer or ipo guy would say ohhhh well the dog has bad nerves and did that cause he was scared .. but if you get a yappy little dog who nips at a bite sleeve then oh that's a good dog.
Def no racial correlation here !! That's just freaking ridiculous

I think that you should reserve judgement of other posters' dogs if you have not physically seen them work in person. They could be nerve bags and they could be bad asses. Who knows? But trying to start an argument seems silly. I think a FAQ and A post would be more beneficial to newbies to the breed, but I can't personally think of any good questions to ask, so I haven't started one.

Now you should ask yourself, if the "trainer" really is an idiot, or if really all "IPO" guys are idiots...
There are "idiots" everywhere, and as soon as the majority of people calls you wrong, maybe you are the idiot - make your choice.

Reliya

The owner of Valkyrie Kennels in NY is famed for training dogs for LE and dogs other trainers have spoiled. He told me that there is a distinct difference between a dog with civil drive and a defensive dog. He says both look similar and are often confused as identical. Thenhe went to mention that it is a mistake to call genuinely civil dogs weak nerved.
What are your views on the existence and identification of these two drives.

I highly doubt there is a single person on here that would call your dog a nerve bag if they engaged with a gorilla. It takes way too much nerve strength to engage something of that size.

What you're trying to pick a fight with is the people that say a dog that engages with a passive person/non threat is a nerve bag. IMO...that's valid. But to compare a person walking down the street to a gorilla is just plain pointless.

People tend to throw the weak nerves card at any dog showing aggression that's not prey driven , very few can actually tell the difference between a real civil dog or a nervy dog bluffing ( hard to tell ) I recently attended a training seminar where a trainer ( K.9 trainer ) approached my dog kinda unexpectedly and my dog (muzzled and in a traffic leash)fully engaged the trainer head on... He's response well what was that about ? I didn't even have my bite suit on!!
My response : he's not equipment oriented . Then he goes on to say we don't believe in defense or civil drive and we only work through prey !? Now how much sense does that make?

BV
talk to Brad of Valkyrie he will tell you about the distinct difference between a civil drive dog and a defensive drive dog. To the novice or even people who don' t work with those kinds of dogs ( IPO, etc ) , both behaviors look very similar.
A civil dog can bite a non threat but it is not doing because it is worried or afraid.