God Sends Non-Christians to Hell??? (Dr John Lennox) - Page 2

As I believe I have pointed out before, tares have their own value and are harvested (google it).
And certainly it would not be 'all people' if it was 'all sons', since women do not get a mention (as per usual).

So, noitsyou, noo joisey is your idea of hell ?

@ Noitsyou


Exposition of the parable. Matthew13: 24-25 “While his men were sleeping his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went away.” The men were not sleeping because they were lazy, but rather because it was the normal time to sleep. However, the enemy is very clever and full of deceit. He does not approach during the daylight, but lurks in night shadows, steals in to the field and sows the weed seed in stealth and perfidy. He prefers darkness. We “are all sons of light and sons of day, we are not of night nor of darkness” (1 Thessalonians 5:5). Once the damage has been done, he slips back into the night and disappears.
The devil sowed tares into the field where the good seed were already sown. These tares represent evil or evil people in the world. The volumes on the source of evil in the world must number in the tens of thousands. In our own time we frequently take note of books which attempt to answer the question, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” Those with a Biblical perspective on the question will always come back to this: “an enemy has done this.”
Therefore, we cannot and should not blame God for the fact that tares are growing alongside wheat in the world. God is infinite in purity and holiness. He is full of goodness and would never be the one to sow evil into the world. Rather the enemy, Satan, has done this.
Satan is he who sows evil, discord, disharmony, division and evil followers themselves in to the world. He is the father of lies and the father of all evil ones. God is not the father of anyone who practices evil. But when Jesus addressed the Pharisees He flatly declared, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father” (John 8:44).

Matthew 13:17-30. Dealing with the problem. The solution given in the parable is remarkably simple, “Allow both to grow together until the harvest . . .” The wheat and tares are allowed to grow together in the same filed, receiving the same amount of water and sun. The tares cannot be cultivated nor weeded out without damaging the wheat. The tares cannot simply be uprooted without causing a great deal of harm to surrounding plants. That is because the tares have a web-like root structure which moves out horizontally to ensnare the roots of as many wheat plants as may be possible. Wheat, on the other hand, sends its roots down and out, but not as widely as tares. At harvest the wheat is cut and threshed along with the tares.
Bearded Darnel is crushed and blown off with the chaff. Why not root out the tares right now? The answer given by the landowner is as applicable today in wheat farming as then, and spiritually speaking will be forever. One who would uproot the evil from among the good will destroy many good people with the evil ones. In the process of implementing such drastic methods, the gates of society itself would be torn down. Chaos would ensue. The tares are dealt with at the harvest; evil is dealt with at the end of the age when Jesus returns. The Son of Man sends forth His reaping angles, and in the parable we learn that the tares are gathered up first. These are the stumbling blocks and those who commit lawlessness (verse 41). Those evil ones are thrown into the furnace of hell fire. By contrast, “the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of the father.” No doubt the trials, tribulations and testing they have endured while growing up in the world have burnished their countenances until they fairly glow. Meanwhile, they too are reaped and then stored safely in the Lord’s barn. By contrast with the fire, we can assume that this barn is heaven itself. Do not be surprised to discover that at the end of the age, at harvest time, this entire world is reaped and threshed. It will not be pleasant; no threshing could be. The field must be harvested sometime before that danger of rot to the plants becomes too great. I hope this is clear!!

No loving God would ever send his people, whether sinners or not to a place they would burn in. Burning is one of the most painful of deaths. And hence why the humans who wrote the fairy tale associate hell with burning. Heaven and hell do not exist and is only used to control the masses.

"God is infinite in purity and holiness. He is full of goodness and would never be the one to sow evil into the world. Rather the enemy, Satan, has done this. Satan is he who sows evil, discord, disharmony, division and evil followers themselves in to the world. He is the father of lies and the father of all evil ones. God is not the father of anyone who practices evil."

Interesting. So God did not create everything after all as Satan created evil. The thing is, if God did not sow evil into the world then why did he create Satan to do just that? Is that God's way of having someone else to blame for when things go bad?

KJV Bible

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
 

Noitsyou wrote: Interesting. So God did not create everything after all as Satan created evil.


(KJV) Ezekiel 28:17 The last verse says: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

And Satan he who sows evil in the world after this verse...and after Adam sinned.

 

Noitsyou wrote: Is that God's way of having someone else to blame for when things go bad?

 

the answer is NO

Ezekiel 28:17

New International Version
Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.

New Living Translation
Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty. Your wisdom was corrupted by your love of splendor. So I threw you to the ground and exposed you to the curious gaze of kings.

English Standard Version
Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you.

New American Standard Bible
"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you.

Rock, paper or scissors? My guess rock.

GSDADMIN WROTE: No loving God would ever send his people, whether sinners or not to a place they would burn in.



One of the greatest barriers to belief in God is the problem of suffering and evil in the world. Why, people ask, did God create a world in which violence, pain, and death are endemic? The answer of traditional theology is—he didn’t. He created a good world but also gave human beings free will, and through their disobedience and ‘Fall’, death and suffering came into the world. The process of evolution in which how you believe my dear gsdadmin, however, you understand violence, predation, and death to be the very engine of how life develop based on your beliefs. If God brings about life through evolution, how do we reconcile that with the idea of a good God? The problem of evil seems to be worse for the believer in theistic evolution. Whatever the God implied by evolutionary theory and the data of natural history may be like, He is not the Protestant God of waste not, want not. He is also not a loving God who cares about His productions. He is not even the awful God portrayed in the book of Job. The God of the Galapagos is careless, wasteful, indifferent, almost diabolical. He is certainly not the sort of God to whom anyone would be inclined to pray.

Well he can't be the god in your bible either then Shtal, cos as has been shown many times already, Yhwh was reported responsible for so many evil wars and plagues and rapes IN THE O.T. and we are told to believe this is the same 'father' god Jesus answered to.

Admin, I guess it IS a rock. A brain washed and brain dead one also ?