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by beetree on 10 July 2016 - 19:07

by Reliya on 10 July 2016 - 20:07
by Gee on 10 July 2016 - 22:07
If you really want a capable working dog - take a knowledgeable person along and ask permission to TEST the parents.
Many, many titled dogs will crumple under even minimuim pressure. (As will many untitled dogs)
Susie says in Europe Seldom will a working line pup go for 1200 Euros - nonsense. My pups start at that price to stay in the UK - untitled parents. (As per my website) However unlike MOST kennels - my small TRAINING kennel allows buyers TO TEST mum and dad, and by test, I am not talking about merely flashing a sleeve.
My dogs will bypass - CO2, shotgun fire, high pressure water, multiple attackers, and much more - and ALWAYS engage.
Finally be aware, no matter how good the genetics - without knowledgeable handling / training, you will have nothing more than a high energy dark sable pet.
Best of luck.
Regards
Gee

by BlackMalinois on 11 July 2016 - 00:07
Holland Showline VA puppies both parents certified and tested around 850 euro
Working line Bolle,Drago ,etc both parents etc certified and tested around 700- 850 euro
USA is over rated with ridiculous puppie prices and I have seen some parents are not even titled or tested on paper ............

by susie on 12 July 2016 - 17:07
I talked about "normally", not about exceptions.
As far as I know German Shepherd Dog puppies in the UK "normally" cost between £500 and £900, most of them somewhere between £600 and £800 ( € 719 - € 958 ), no difference to the rest of West Europe.
I am glad for you, that you are able to get that much money for your puppies. Looking at your ads, it has been less.
Kind regards
by Gee on 13 July 2016 - 00:07
@Susie
Bit worried you have been looking at my old ads lol.
Supply and demand dictates what people will pay.
My very small breeding / training kennel - Darkvakia, has only been going for circa three years, and in that time demand has significantly increased.
(I have been training for twenty years and breeding for circa three years)
Everything I do is transparent, that includes my training and prices, all of which are on my web site. We currently attain £995.00 or circa 1200 Euros for a pup. (As per website - puppies available page)
Typically one litter a year - so very small fry, on a different note training interests me much more than breeding, I am not interested in having twenty bitches churning out pups, mainly because I do not have the time to ensure twenty bitches are the real deal.
(By that I mean genuinely capable of protecting and well balanced family members)
The few dogs I have are genuine / reliable protectors, extremely well balanced and capable of with standing very high stress situations. (all trained by me).
The majority of pups come back for training.
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by Bavarian Wagon on 13 July 2016 - 12:07
On top of that, we have a large pet market with money to spend who do equate cost to quality. Since titles aren't necessary to breed, they're just "something extra" here to market your dog with. If a puppy out of non-titled parents can be sold to some sucker for $1200, easy to see why breeders who are titling are asking for $1800+.
by Gee on 13 July 2016 - 23:07
@bw
You make some valid points.
Where you fall down is - what is your kennel name?
There is a MASSIVE difference between talking and walking.
A titled dog can quite easily be NOT fit for purpose, when it comes to CREDIBLE tracking and protection.
My kennel is - www.darkvakia.com
What is yours?
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Gee

by yogidog on 14 July 2016 - 06:07

by Hundmutter on 14 July 2016 - 06:07
Yogi, the problem with the line you are taking is that where "there is no real test in a title dog", actually there is no real test in " a pup from real dogs that have been put through real hard areas" either. How do I prove to buyers that my puppies for sale have A) a mother (my own) who has been 'real life' tested ? You only have my word for it. How do I prove B) their sire (a dog owned by someone else) has been through a real hard area, if there are no titles on his record ? You - and I - only have the word of the stud's owner. Gets even more complicated if you want to look further back in the bloodline. Not all dogs that compete or do PPD or K9 work are good enough or well known enough (especially given just how MANY there are) for the rest of the world to have actually seen them work, or have 'heard of' them through discussion at Clubs etc. Only the top, titled, greats get to be common knowledge, how many dogs WITH NO TITLES do you know all about ? If you 'keep it local' and only buy / breed with dogs you get some knowledge of because you know the owners personally, you restrict your choices down to either very low or in many cases zero, before long.
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