The fundamental difference between actual science and creationism: - Page 2

In order for faith to work, evidence is irrelevant.

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Science means the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Creation does not conflict with observational science......faith comes into play how the world came to be since historical science has many interpretations.

Faith comes into play in the absence or rejection of facts.

Observational science does not conflict with creation because creation has no facts that can be challenged or tested.

Vk4, observational science or defenition of science means knowledge. We have no knowledge about the past or in other words historical knowledge. (Origin of life) that’s why Christians has faith in Genesis 1 reading the Bible.

Shtal.... Vk4 is on a... "Sabbatical" of sorts. Noitsyou is a brand new, never posted to PDB before, member.

Even though he might remind some of us of past members... He is very much, a newbie here.

Genesis is allegorical. It explains very little, if anything, as far as science is concerned. The major reason why is that the people who wrote it had almost no scientific knowledge. They were certainly far behind the ancient Greeks in that regard.

If we have no knowledge of the past, which isn't true, then what exactly is the knowledge from Genesis? Knowledge from the future?

Trust Shtal to jump to the wrong conclusion about a poster's identity when he has no knowledge or evidence !

Genesis is allegorical. It explains very little, if anything, as far as science is concerned.


You are going into different direction, YOU missed the point, I'm talking about Christian faith believing in book of Genesis when reading the Bible.

 

Observational science has not confillct with the Bible: ONLY when dealing with historical science whether everything was created or evolved.

 

What happened on the first day?
Scientifically the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness he called “night” And there was evening and there was morning – the first day.

Now what happens on day two?
“And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water”. So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse “sky”. And there was evening, and there was morning – the second day.

What happened in the day three?
And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good. And God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning – the third day.
 
We have the receding of the water of the oceans, seas and lakes taking place and we have the merges of land above the seas taking place, plans and trees come forth at that point.
 
What happened in the day four?
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights – the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning – the fourth day.”
 
And so: God made the sun; God made the stars on day four. “God hath made two great lights”.
There is no conflict between the Bible and Science, but there is a conflict between the Bible and the Big Bang, and there is a conflict between Bible and Evolution.
 
And what happened on day five?
Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
 
And what happened on day six?
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
 
So it seems in these two days, we got: let the water team with living creatures, the birds fly above the earth, across the sky. He made great creatures in the sea, then livestock, creatures that move alone ground, animals and finally man.
 
Animals where all created on one literal day – the sixth day; and Adam and Eve they where both made on the sixth day. And then Bible says God finished his creation and rested on the seventh day.

The Bible says nothing scientifically. The people who wrote it had neither science nor philosophy. That would come from so-called pagans.

The Bible is an "historical", religious, moral, even legal document which reflects the simplistic and pragmatic thinking of its writers relative to the ancient Greeks.