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by Petros on 27 March 2007 - 17:03

I am glad & sad at the same time to be the first one responding to these messages to have to give some feedback regarding Orijen. I am using it for 3 months now and, although this is a very short period to jump into conclusions, the first impression is ecxellent. High digestability (I have to search thoughrally every time to find my dogs' feces), very very tasty, and a reduced amount of daily ration by 30%. I had some seconds thoughts regarding its feeding on puppies and I am feeding the puppies only Acana. I attach the following answer sent to me by the www.dogfoodanalysis.com team on my question regarding their caution about its use on large breed puppies: "The caution on high protein dry foods and puppies that are still growing skeletally arises from the findings of some research that high amounts of protein can contribute to, or exacerbate a range of skeletal growth disorders ranging from panosteitis, and HOD through to exacerbation of hip and elbow dysplasia. We would note that different studies conflict on this (there is general agreement that excess calories and excess calcium are contributors, but the role of protein is not agreed by all research). In the absence of consensus or a definitive study, it is our opinion that it is more prudent to avoid these foods until after skeletal growth is complete. Skeletal disorders such as those above are more common in large and giant breed dogs than small breeds, hence the specific caution in those cases. If you have concerns about particular skeletal disorders, some research on those conditions would likely turn up information on whether or not high protein foods fed to puppies has a role in its development."

by Petros on 27 March 2007 - 17:03

I forgot to mention that I think that these kind of foods are formulated by food companies not because they care so much for the feeding of our dogs BUT mainly because they have begun losing customers from the fans of BARF diet. Its advantange against the BARF is that you do not have to bother too much to prepare it. Its disadvantage is that (like all dog foods) do not keep the dog busy (chewing and chewing) like raw bones would; thus, there is no calming & relaxing effect on the dog and one would have to find some other alternative regarding this issue....

by 4pack on 27 March 2007 - 18:03

Makes sense considering RAW is mostly meat/protein and protein is mainly what wolves or wild dogs would consume themselves first, if given a choice. I never did fall for that low protein recomendation. For health resons,ie Pano, I would lower the protein consumption in a pup or dog but thats about the extent of it. Look at Inovva's protein content. The dogs want and need the meat, not all the fillers and junk most foods shove in there. Am I correct these high protein food makers are exempt from the issues Menue foods is having?

by k9 love on 07 June 2007 - 20:06

ORIJEN. This food is the best I have ever fed. Great coat, lean body and LOTS of muscle. My dog can run ALL Day and be ready for more in the morning. I found Orijen on Ebay at a good delivered price.

by LawDawg on 08 July 2007 - 20:07

I dont know about liver problems, but I do know that if a food is too rich for a dog they will experience digestion issues. (ie, acid reflux, diareah, gas, vomit/bile, possible bloat, etc.)

Processed foods such as the ones you speak of can often be to rich for many dogs systems. Dogs have a very short digestive tract, the belief that they should have no grains is not entirely true.
(Although some animals, just like people, have sensativities to certian products, could be grain, protien, grass...the list is endless)
Having such a short tract, dogs should have partaly digested grains and veggies, like they would get from the stomach of an animal they would eat in the wild. I know alot of people dont want to think of little fifi as a killer, but shes a dog at heart and in biology!

EVO, was to rich for my dog too, not enough "binding agents" like veggies and such.

Orjin uses tapioca as an ingreedient to resolve these issues. I dont know how well it works, but there are a few brands that are doing this now.

Its like when every one stoped feeding beef and went to chicken and then stopped chicken and went to lamb. Now they are all on fish and that. I dont know what a dog needs tapioca for....

In my humble opinion, alot of this is a marketing ploy, the dog food companies can see the market in the human world rising in such things as health foods, raw foods, suplements, natural living, organics, no preservatives, etc. So they are jumping on that ban wagon, its big bucks.

IMO there is way too much protein in Orijen for a growing GSD puppy!!

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 July 2007 - 20:07

Too musch protein for a growing GSD puppy? Yes , I agree.....this is a processed food, not a kill in the woods...:Lawdawg is right a kill contains a stomach full of berries, grass, roots and rabbits in stomach of what eats a lot of grains.......dog food with too high portein will caus burn out in Liver, and in a growing pup IMO is dangerous in all accounts......feed that pup raw meats, 7 grain bread ,oats, eggs carrots parboiled , and do the best to keep cottage cheese ,yogurt in his diet as a treat everynight , just like we treat ourselves to icecream at midnight...I havae seen many guys in our club years ago, in Houston all got on a hight protein dog food kick, thougth our working dogs needed it....and three came down sicker than a dog, all liver elivated whatever 9 Enczmes I think,,,,,and the vets, all three told all of us dont ever go that high of protein and they were using something that had 30% .....I would rather be safe thatn sorry , you can research this all year long and if a vet works in research for a dogfood manufacturer, do you think hes gonna right on the side of your sick pup.....I dont think so...wake Up AMERICA THIS IS A DOG EAT DOG WORLD...... litteral description) If Dog owners all start feeding meat and groceries we eat and doing oour own the companies go out of businesss.....if we all start eating correctly and holistically, the pharmacutical and Doctors go out of business.....there are natural cures that will cure most illnesses , they are out there , but we are to complasent to just tak e a pill and pay a doctor..and go on about our sore body business....same with dog diet,,,,,,,,,dont be fooled by research papers, that say its okay to go off the charts with protein levels......the higher level needs to be in fat ,,,,and omegas.....not protein....and not grains either.....

by Trailrider on 09 July 2007 - 04:07

There is alot of info in this thread about Orijen. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/106625.html#108091

I just bought a bag of it but it hasn't got here yet.

by Kalibeck on 09 July 2007 - 13:07

I have been feeding Origen Adult to my 3 yo GSD bitch & my 9 month old GSD male with excellent results. My girl was very healthy before, but a little overweight, she looks leaner, shiney soft coat, +++energy, eyes twinkle, AND she LOVES it!! I had been feeding Eukanuba Pro Performance, & my pup had various skin rashes & a bout with pano...you'd think that the higher protein of the Orijen would exacerbate that, instead, his skin cleared up, no more pano, coat soft & shiney, lots of energy, & he loves it, too! Origen has berries, potato, and other fruit in it, it mimics what a dog would get from an animals stomach...I couldn't be happier, and there is a store locater on the website, I drive about an hour from N.E. Pa. to N.J. to get it. And no, I'm not getting paid for this endorsement....LOL! jackie osborne

by Kalibeck on 09 July 2007 - 13:07

ps. Yellowrose...lots of Omega-3 & Omega-6 in Origen...I think they're getting it right! jo

by roborob on 09 July 2007 - 13:07

Into my first bag after switching from Chickem Soup which gave the dogs loose poops and stinky ones at that...I will let you know after we're done with this large bag how we did with it but I think we'll be fine...I would not feed this to growing pups as the protein level is too high as most of you noted...

My question is at what age is a pup no longer a pup as my boy will be 7 months old and he isn't getting Orijen yet, but he will once he is a year old+...

I like the smell, the dog/s seems to like the taste, pretty clean poops with no odor and its available here in Florida but expensive, we'll see what the immediate future holds for us and go from there...You speak with 10 people about feeding GSDs and you pretty much get 8 differtent responses, do what works for you as i do and please don't let your Vet (who means well but still sells Hills Science diet) talk you into something you know is not good for your dog...From here on in I will not buy any dog food that is made by Menu or uses "parts" from China...I e-mailed Orijen about the use of Ethoxyquin as a preservative and they assured me they do not use it, it is Ethoxyquin free...

Thanks to everyone for their help as always and have a great day,

Rob

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