Help with pedigree? - Page 2

where do i find blank pedigree

In the upper right corner you will see the option to register a dog.

Beetree gave a very helpful post, but I would like to add my two cents worth. I went through your dogs pedigree and corrected names, reg numbers, dob, etc. and added some titles to get a better idea how to answer your question.
People may disagree with me, but I think that there are actually American Shepherds and what I would call American bred Shepherds.

The American Shepherds are the showline dogs that people have corrupted their build (in my opinion) in order to give them more (a better) side gait. They have increased the length of the hock so that when a dog is standing it is almost flat on the ground. This and the sloping back (dog looks like he is peeing on the ground IMO) are to me what distinguish the American Shepherd, which to many people has almost become a separate breed.

The American bred Shepherd does not have this lengthening of the hock and when standing it's back is more square. In looking at your dog, you can see that he is standing squarely on his paws and his back is not sloping. So I would consider him an American bred German Shepherd.

Just as an FYI....I did find in your dam's fifth generation that you have a White GSD, and about 4 generations of White breeding. There may be more, but the data was not there.

@Fantom76
Yes I thought Kahn was more square. Like I said I'm new to this . What does that mean to have a white GSD in the pedigree? Also I guess that's what I've been seeing at the shows is the American Shepherd. My Kahn looks so much different from them. Thanks for your insight & knowledge

AmLine breeders did not lengthen the hock (they still constantly seek short hocks). The upper and lower thigh were increased in length in order to increase angulation and create a more dramatic side gait. Not saying I agree with it, just stating what happened.

OPs dog has West German Show lines, American show lines, some Czech, and a whole bunch of pet bred lineage.

Ladyboss, you are right.  As was said earlier by Beetree, your Kahn (and his sister) are an eclectic mix of 'types'/bloodlines:  you have dogs * which are part American Showline ('ASL') bred, part German Show bred (GSL or as some still have it, WGSL, because they think the Berlin Wall is still up !- sorry Xeph ), and partly what is generally regarded as "Working Line" stock. 

I am no USA pedigree expert, especially on the latter, and cannot tell you where those dogs originate from. 

I do not see, glancing through the pedigree, any major

names that I recognise / know anything about.  Some of the

working/sports people who are members here can possibly

tell you more.  Some of these 'working dogs' come from

bloodlines that stretch back aways, avoiding some of the

pitfalls of breeding "fashions" the Breed falls into from time

to time.  These dogs, and this mixture, are what gives Kahn his construction, his 'squarer' shape.  At a guess, they were bred by someone who was a complete amateur; a 'breeder'

who had no particular interest in ASL Shows, nor in SV -

compatible 'Germanic' type dogs, nor in any specific sort

of Work (LE, SAR, ppd, etc) or Sport (eg IPO), but maybe just

wanted to produce pets.  Hopefully nice natured ones.

Unfortunately the down side of this kind of uninformed

breeding is that health issues are frequently less well addressed.

I have not yet been back to see which 'gaps' Fantom has

filled in for you, but this will explain if many hip and

elbow scores etc still do not appear in the papers.

The white dog in Gen 5 (and its ancestors) is too far back

to have a big effect on your dog;  but you should be aware

that some - not all - white stock is similarly bred, with less

regard to a variety of health issues, because the breeders

were concentrating on developing a line based purely on

the colour.  If you ever mate either of your two to another

dog also carrying white line genes, you may awaken some hairy problems.  Its also possible that this is where the

microphthalmia in Kahn's sister originates from.

Hope this is helpful.

 

*We need to discuss your sable pup separately ...  She may

be very different, from her photo.  Can you link her pedigree page please, as you do not seem to have included her name in any of your posts yet.  TY.  Linda.

Hundmutter Thanks , your exactly right on the eye thing . That's the diagnosis the vet gave us. I just couldn't remember what it was but that was it. She's been spayed already right after her 1st birthday. Again I had absolutely no clue about all this , nor did I know about pedigrees & so forth. Also I already tried to post a link for Kahn's pedigree & it came out blank. I'm sure due to user error. The new pups name is Knallharts Fatal Beauty.
Once again thanks for helping

Sorry about saying it was the lengthening of the hock, I am no expert in anatomy. I just know that it was done to produce a better side gait and resulted in the dog looking like he was walking on his hocks (IMO)

I didn't get into all eclectic mix of work and show and American and German because it was already covered..
But here is a bit about the Czech working lines. Cak Pisecna boure participated in the Mezinárodní mistrovství CKNO 4 times. It is the top working competition in The Czech Republic. Freddie Hronovsky pramen participated twice. So the Czech part of the pedigree would have produced the squarer look due to not being show lines.
I agree with Hundmutter. To me it appears that the breedings were done with no particular purpose in mind other than to produce puppys. Which should not be the goal of any breeder. The goal should always be to improve the breed.

But something than can not be figured out from his pedigree .... is the temperament of your dog and how he fits your needs. It doesn't matter what label you put on him, just that he is your dog. To me he was born in America, so he is an American bred GSD no matter how many countries he has in his background. Enjoy him.

On PDB Her name is spelled Knallhart's Fatal Beauty. You forgot the apostrophy

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2485687-knallharts-fatal-beauty

Oh yes I totally agree with you guys in regards to the no particular purpose thing . I see that now since I've learned a thing or two in the past year. All this started out because my hubby went to night shift, get a dog he says . To make you feel safe at night & give you some companionship. Kahn turned out to be one of the best things that's ever happened to me. He has an outstanding temperament & loves to show off .seems like hes in total bliss when my friends come over to train & do bitework. He gets really serious about guarding our property & myself . Makes me feel safe at night as well. My friends say I just got lucky I'd like to think so even though he's a hodge podge of a Shepherd. I'm actually glad that I didn't know any better . Lol that was a can of worms. One last question will his pedigree have an effect on him when I take him to PSA trails after hes finished his training? Thanks