getting a ckc registered pup transferred to akc - Page 2

AKC does not want to see proof of DNA on "any imports" AKC wants to see proof of DNA only if the dog is used for breeding. I would like you to explain better what "major problem" are you referring to? Dogs from "Eastern Europe" ,what ever that is, are from FCI registered organisations and are totally registrable with AKC. If you want to breed such dogs then you need to pass AKC approved DNA. I have done it  on regular bases .

"AKC does not want to see proof of DNA on "any imports" AKC wants to see proof of DNA only if the dog is used for breeding."
Prager, I wrote my post related to the OP´s problems in case of registering a puppy with AKC ( the result of a BREEDING out of 2 imports ) ?!?
Your words: " If you want to breed such dogs then you need to pass AKC approved DNA. I have done it on regular bases . "

Guess, you should be able to help the OP - sounds like the dam only needs to be registered with AKC, and you are the one who knows about the proper procedure.

I said "major problems" because breeding according to FCI rules is different than breeding to SV rules. A lot of FCI member countries still don´t demand DNA for their dogs ( tattoo or microchip is enough ), that said German Shepherd dogs bred according to FCI reglement "only" are not necessarily DNA´d, titled, health tested, or breed surveyed... a lot of people are not aware of this difference.

http://www.fci.be/en/Breeding-42.html 

For everybody interested, open the PDF " International Breeding Rules of the FCI ".

The OP would have to get from Europe official transfer of the female to USA and resent it to the AKC. That can be done if the owner of the female here in USA has or can or is willing to obtain such documentation. If the female is inot in USA  and such transfer was not yet done then the last owner of the dog in Europe is able to obtain such transfer certificate to the importer of the female to USA. If such transfer was already done and the  importer in USA is not willing to provide this documentation or to go through the process of registering the dog with AKC then the OP is out of luck. In that case i would ofeer to the party which is not cooperating sum of money which would help him to change her mind. 

AKC does not care if the dog is registered with CKC . All they want is to have correct paper trail from FCI registered registry ( Foreign club)  and they then will register the dog with AKC. 

 

 As far as DNA goes AKC does require DNA of the import dogs mated in USA. That is required in order to proof that the parents of the progeny are actually such parents. Such DNA can be obtained through AKC by providing tissue sample to them. For that you need to purchase from AKC their DNA kit.  If for example a dog in Europe is bred   and has progeny in USA registered with AKC then AKC will request  DNA tissue ( brushes)  being suppiled to for testing of such dog. That is not necessary of it was DNA record is with SV and done in Germany which many owners of dogs from so called "Eastern Europe " have done. But as I have already said even if  such German/ SV record is not done then you can do it with AKC my mailing them a DNA sample. In another words there is way to get this done even from   FCI countries which do not require DNA like for example from Slovakia. 

 Many   importers of dogs from Germany  are trying to scare people purchasing dogs from "Eastern"Europe . But such fears are not justified. 

 If you import a pup from "Eastern"Europe and then you want to breed it then just send to AKC brushes with   tissue to AKC . 

 I hope this helps to OP. :)
 Hans 

 

Curious, can any of you guys enlighten me ?
I know all the (limited) current traffic seems one-way, but
just what would the situation be if someone wanted to
import, and AKC register, a UK-bred GSD to Show in the
States, and remain there permanently to breed from ? The
dogs would not have any FCI (or SV) registration, there is no
DNA requirement on UK breeders, so would it just continue
to work as it has done historically (pre DNA testing being
available / part of the equation) i.e. by reciprocity between
the KC and AKC ? Or has that changed ?

" As far as DNA goes AKC does require DNA of the import dogs mated in USA. That is required in order to proof that the parents of the progeny are actually such parents. Such DNA can be obtained through AKC by providing tissue sample to them. "
Does this mean that AKC only asks for DNA of "imported sire/dam", but in case the country of origin doesn´t DNA, the only result of said DNA test will be " Yes, the puppy was bred out of the parents, the breeder gave us a sample from " within the US?

Susie I have already explained that in my  former post. Now I am just a schmuck picking up dog sh1t -:) so do not take my  words for granted, but use it as a general guidance. If there are any questions then I would advise people to refer to AKCs rules of call AKC and ask for international registration department. They are the final authority.

 Here I'll reprint part of the post which I believe answers Susie's question. 

If for example a dog in Europe is bred   and has progeny in USA registered with AKC then AKC will request  DNA tissue ( brushes)  being suppiled to for testing of such dog. That is not necessary if   DNA is on  record  with SV and done in Germany which many owners of dogs from so called "Eastern Europe " have done.  They go to germany for DNA testing. But as I have already said even if  such German/ SV record is not done then you can do it with AKC my mailing them a DNA sample from dogs in Europe.  In another words there is way to get this done even from   FCI countries which do not require DNA like for example from Slovakia. 

No, this doesn´t answer my question ( and it´s a honest question, I really didn´t try to bother you ).

I thought about untested parents in the country of origin, sold to the US. Now AKC asks for DNA samples, but what the heck could they do with these DNA samples?
In the best case they could say " sire and dam are sire and dam ", but they could never find out the heritage of sire and dam. Could be any dogs?!?

This topic is difficult for me because of language barriers, it´s an interesting question though...

AKC does not use the DNA sample they collect to determine if the dog is the same one or even related to the dam and sire in a Foreign country.

They use it if there is a dispute with a litter born here. Such as a multiple sired litter.

They collect $60 plus an extra $10 if you want a copy

Thank you, Western.

OK W/Rider that seems to answer what Susie was asking,
but on those same lines, d'you know the answer to my
question, please ? If I breed a dog under UK rules (where
getting DNA is still not a requirement of KC Registration),
and then bring that dog to America, can it be registered
with AKC (so that I can permanently Show it, and breed
from it & AKC Register its offspring) - as 'I' used to be able

to do - or will AKC say "No,not until you submit its DNA ;

(&/or) ? and that of its parents ..."
and then charge me extra, perhaps ? I can see some
difficulties if people (maybe European immigrants, maybe
buyers in the States) have to do this, that would perhaps
make anyone think it not worth bothering to import Showdogs/
breeding stock from here. (Yeah OK, hollow laugh !).
Does this interest in DNA extend to other breeds, also ? Not
thinking it's a bad thing, as I can see the point of the use you
describe AKC has for it (and to my mind the ID part is always
useful anyway, whether AKC wants it for that or not). TY.