Circular Reasoning - Page 2

Hundmutter,

 

Logical reasoning itself only makes sense in a biblical worldview. To make a logical argument about anything, we have to use laws of logic. But if the universe is just matter in motion (as many evolutionists believe), laws of logic wouldn’t exist since laws of logic are not made of matter. Laws of logic are “rules” that help us distinguish correct from incorrect forms of reasoning. But in an evolutionary universe, why should there be a standard for reasoning, and who is to say what that standard is? How could we ever really know for certain the laws of logic?

In the biblical creation worldview, however, laws of logic make sense. They reflect the thinking of God who upholds the entire universe by His power. God is our standard for correct thinking because all truth is in Him. We can know about laws of logic because God has made us in His image and has revealed some of His thoughts to us in His Word. We can expect laws of logic to be universally true and never change because they stem from the nature of God. So, when evolutionists such as Charles Darwin attempt to use science and logic, they reveal the fact that in their heart of hearts they know the God of creation.

Using the bible to prove the bible is true because the bible says the bible is true proves the bible is true because the bible says the bible is true.

That the best you got shtal, pathetic.

If god loved you he would give something that is less retarded. Proof no gods exist.

'Logical reasoning' does NOT "only make sense in a biblical
worldview" - you have FAILED to prove any such statement.

Duh !!!

In fact the bible is the opposite of logic, the bible is a book of magic not unlike any other fantasy novel.

Hundmutter, I will try with a different approach here.

So you believe in naturalism right? Of course you do because you will ask me how logically the earth could be approx 6,000 years old. I hope readers mentally zooming in (an) two words “logic” and “naturalism” because those things don’t go together… Nature is all that there is, you can’t have universal and material invariant entity like laws of logic. Well, first of all I don’t accept your belief in naturalism so I am not even going to attempt prove creation on your standard but for the sake of argument if naturalism were true, you couldn’t prove anything because you can’t have laws of logic if you are naturalist.

I have a strong feeling you would say laws of logic are material, they are chemical reactions in the brain. Well, if they are material – there are not laws, and they wouldn’t be universal because they wouldn’t extend beyond your skull if they are just in your brain and we wouldn’t have same laws of logic between two people, because we would all have a different chemical reaction in the brain, so that doesn’t make sense, but it's possible you can say they are not material but they are descriptions of material things, they are descriptions how the brain thinks but if laws of logic were simply descriptions how brain thinks why would we need laws of logic to correct the way brain thinks, right? I mean you not always think logically but if laws of logic were simply a description how you think you couldn’t ever violate one because you would always think the way of you think, Yes? But we are not always think how God thinks; and that is your problem and that’s why you being irrational.

But some folks on this forum may say laws of logic are a property of the universe that is the way universe is. But in my book of judgments that is not much of an answer but if they were actually property of the universe, well the universes changes with time, so you would expect laws of logic would change, they wouldn’t be invariant and universes are different in different places we would expect different part of the universe have different laws of logic and laws of logic don’t even describe the universe anyway, they are describing concepts, obstruct concepts and it doesn’t make sense to be a property of the universe. VK4 may say we use them because they work, but I know but that is not my question, my question how can you account for them in the evolutionary world view instead in the living word of God “Bible”…Of course they work because they are true - but why are they true? Why are these universal, invariant, obstruct, entities that we called laws of logic? I can account for that as a Christian and written in the Bible as you say they are just words that you object my dear Huntmutter. You see, my secular friends cannot, they are happy to use something that does not make sense in their own position to support their own position.

vk4 wrote: That the best you got shtal, pathetic.

 

The reason why VK4 do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.  Still, even VK4 is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, VK4 will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior. Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.

Shtal how old is the earth? I know you think you are ignoring me and I am good with that. A Christian man does not feel the need to tell everyone what they should believe. A Christian man does not go on a dog website and preach, calls names, act better than others or smarter. BUT, a Christian man should be secure in his beliefs so he doesn't look like a moron on a dog website trying to persaude others that they are less than because they have their own beliefs, opinions and morals.

 

Shtal, would you kill for your God? Of course you would and in that you are no better than a member of ISIS. SMH.

Talking about honesty who is writing under shtals username?


The actual reason VK does not believe in god is because there is no evidence such a god exists.

VK is only accountable to himself and his shared life on the planet. VK is not accountable to an imaginary sky daddy that commits genocide, murders, rapes, kills babies etc...st least as far as that stupid story book the bible goes.

Reverend Moon is Shtals god, isn't he Shtal.

shtal, you do like to put words in peoples' mouths,
and dictate how they should think, don't you ?
I do not normally claim to take Naturalism as my
guide to thinking; say rather that I am a Realist.