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Excellent post ILMD

I was just saying, lots of standard size dogs do produce a few dogs over the standard, it's in the breed.

   No one is encouraging  anyone to seek out oversized dogs, from oversized breeders, (and there is plenty of  them out there).

   Shit...you see ads here all the time stating big headed dogs,pups). I just think it is better to encourage others to stick around and learn, than to lecture and run.

   I changed my ways, despite much ado about blah,blah,blah here.

Better to have someone come here, where people ARE passionate about the breed, than to send them out to those that only care about their  pockets, that IS ALL I am saying!

Kitkat, being passionate about the breed is not what's applauded. Every one should accept whatever people want...want is what's important, not passion. I'm learning to not be so passionate and accept whatever it is people want...I'm a better person for it and have learned that my passion for the breed is moot when it comes to other's wants.

Joanro, I think you've made your point...over and over, move on please or more of your sarcasm will be deleted.

Couldn't "vetrinary" simply be a typo missing an "e"?

I don't agree with the criteria, ie, I'd much rather have someone state their temperamental needs prior to or even instead of their physical "wants," however, there are people who end up being very good owners who specify physical type as well. Typically, they are of lesser experience but there are exceptions. 

For example, if I'm buying an adult, I specify what type front and rear I want, what type croup, the kinds of paws, earset, etc. Does that mean I don't worry about temperament or working ability? Hell no. It means that those are non-negotiable, and that among those who suit those requirements, this is my list of physical attributes I prefer. And you know what, assuming the dog fits the standard, I much prefer a doggy-looking bitch to a snipey one. 

I have a much harder time ridiculing someone who seems to have good intentions and no intent to harm anyone than someone who comes on here telling people how to (or not to) react and has a major attitude while campaigning for breeders who knowingly and nonchalantly produce unhealthy dogs. Until we know exactly what this person is looking for, we really can't say he/she doesn't support a breed standard. Most people who come to my home thinking they want a really massive dog end up saying they'd be thrilled with one of my females who are all within the standard.

I see a few things I like in the post- OP is open-minded about several criteria. This at least shows a grasp on reality and a willingness to choose the right dog, not just the prettiest. I'd need more information to crucify this person, if for no other reason than they're pleasant, at least. 

Wouldn't Susie's gorgeous boy fit this request? Can we say Susie isn't passionate about the breed? Just food for thought...

I wasn't being sarcastic. The op has tremendous experience and can teach most on here a thing or two about dogs. I have learned to look beyond my passion for the breed. Its unfounded, and not being open minded for all the possibilties that can be attained within the breed. Like ILMD, this forum has expanded the world of gsds in a way I never realized before. Thank you, and Jen, please accept my apology for being short tempered the other day.

Joanro

Thank you, Mr Darcy, and with the clarity attained here, I will leave this for those to gain an education and guidance.

It might help the OP to know that the long stock coat is a double coat whereas the long coat is not a double coat and is not as weatherable. There are plenty of dogs that carry the gene for having coats, I would suggest the OP identify stock coat parents exhibiting the characteristics they like and getting one of their coated offspring. Limited registration does not force you to neuter/spay your dog, it is supposed to keep you from getting AKC registration on a litter a limited dog produces. I would stay away from a breeder who requires you to spay or neuter your dog.

Tamro, as others already said, there are often longstockcoats in litters out of regular coated parents. Try to find a breeder who already trains his breeding stock either in SAR or IPO.
Ask for health tests ( at least hips and elbows ) of the parents, in case you are interested in a young adult, ask for prelims !

Don´t try to find a real "longcoat" - these coats are not made for work, even a longstockcoat is no fun. I owned a longstockcoat, not because I wanted a coat, but because I wanted THAT dog ( temperament, character ). This was the first coat I ever owned, and I´m not going to buy another one. For a real working German Shepherd dog too many disadvantages and limitations, they need hours to dry, snowballs and dirt everywhere, hairs all over your home, a lot of grooming on a regular basis. Worst for me the wetness, you can´t keep a wet dog outside, he´ll become sick sooner or later.

I´d never breed coats ( and I´d never support a breeder "breeding for" coats ), but these dogs are out there in maybe 3 out of 4 "regular" litters, I guess you already got some PM´s. Just ask about proof of working ability and health.