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 I will be thinking of you as well. I definitely would keep your girl on antibiotics and bottle feed those pups if you must- better than chancing her going septic. Veterinary malpractice- plain and simple. 

And this is why I wonder WHY do so many people count on the vets to know more about a natural occurance than nature itself.

    Not trying to insinuate you did anything wrong, but I wonder why people go looking for a problem to occur..

When in fact, the dog probably would have done a better job at delivering her own pups than that vet did.

   Yes, i understand you were wanting the best for your dog, but nature has been at it alot longer than any vet.

Glad you have two healthy pups.

Not to add to  your stressers but "shame on those vets" that is almost inexcusable.  however, my friend's bitch delivered a DOA after 5 days after she delivered 2 pups (large pups) and she was an older experienced female and this was her last litter so I blamed her age on only the 2 puppies;  however she started hemmoraging and my friend called the vet and she mentioned to give her a couple of tums for calcium and the bitch was not herself and out popped the dead fetus;  was kind of like a nightmare and my friend had not done an exray after whelp; BUT  for me usually I examined the girl after whelp to feel everything and if there was still something there you USUALLY could feel something still there.   And of course the temp.  In both these cases you  are lucky to have your mama dog still.  and in my friends case likewise.  Damn lucky.  I really don't think you can be too careful;  so did your girl show any signs of something not quite right??  For experience I am curious as my friends bitch was very unsettled, yet she still fed the puppies and all,  ugh...  She still took care of those puppies, shows you how dedicated they are.  Glad your girl is OK and hope she stays that way.  Whelping can be extremely stressful, get some rest and watch mama dog like a hawk, not eating, any stress signs with the puppies, temperature, etc.  I am sure you know the signs.  Best of luck with the 2 chunks, Nan

PS:  Wanted to add that my friends DOA was also completely formed and after the 5 days you could still tell that the pup was a girl soooooooo;  mother nature can leave us with lots of questions sometimes, glad the others are well and good...and this bitch all her life had irregular heat cycles, only once per year so she was hard to get bred this last time as my friend was not sure when or even IF she would conceive but only yearly heat cycles.....  BUT this was a frozen semen implant..........

kitkat... I understand what you are saying, but I have experienced, both first hand and through many breeder friends, far more disaster in natural deliveries than in c-sections.  There are dozens of things that can go wrong in a natural delivery and only one thing that can go right.  In this case, it was definitely the right decision to do the c-section.  This was not an issue of the c-section causing any kind of problem... it was human error, plain and simple.  I do not breed a lot, but I have experienced just about every possible problem you can in delivery, none of which were any fault of myself or any other person:  puppies stuck in the birth canal due to size, puppies stuck because two puppies are coming at once, malpresentation, early placenta detachment, uterine intertia, premature delivery.  Some of these ended in c-sections and most ended up in dead puppies before a section was done.  I do not regret doing a c-section in this case and will do it again if faced with a similar situation.  A natural delivery is a beautiful thing... until it isn't.

Nans... No signs of anything until 3:45 this morning when she started acting restless and nesting.  The pup was delivered at 7am.  The vet opens at 7:30 and I was ready to bring her in before the pup even arrived.  The section was done at 1pm on Saturday.  Up until early this morning, she was calm and relaxed and taking care of her babies.  In a natural delivery, I am very cautious about assuming a bitch has finished whelping and often palpate and keep a close eye on them, but never would have thought a bitch that had just had a c-section would still have a pup in there.

Interesting that your friend's bitch delivered her pup after having tums.  I started my bitch on calcium last night just as routine post whelping care.  That calcium may have just saved my bitch's life.  One other thing to note... the dead female pup that was delivered was not decomposed at all, was still limp and had pink color.  She couldn't have died much before delivery.  Makes it that much harder to swallow the loss.

So far so good this evening. 

OK< very sorry to hear this incident and does not make you real confident to run to the vet's does it.  Just wanted to let you know my past experience with the same friend yet another bitch, actually a daughter to the bitch I originally posted about.  OK, Maggie was bred and all went well, 6 boys, 2 girls (of which I have a girl from that litter) also a frozen semen implant litter.

Maggie did pretty good until about the 4-6 week mark then started declining and ended up dying of several different types of infections plus and flea allergic reaction she had to Sergants flea dip just prior to being bred.???  All stil and always will be in question, BUT my reason for posting you this alert is that had Maggie been kept on antiobiotics she would probably still be with us today;  Soooooooooo, just a word of caution I too agree that you need to keep this bitch on antibiotics this complete post whelping time until the puppies leave for new homes.  Maggie's puppies were 6 weeks old when she died;  intestional bugs, mastitis, and flea allergic reaction.  Does not sound too serious, maybe, maybe not, but it does not take much for mama dogs to get into trouble and wham.  Sooooo just want to give  you a heads up and boost her immune system up if you can. 

Best of luck  Nan