Hips- Comments Appreciated! - Page 2

No, SS. The elbows were supposedly bad on his male of the same age, NOT of my breeding. The one I posted is of my D litter, a female. The owner's male was diagnosed w/UAP in both elbows and immediately went into surgery. I was just saying I pray to God that the elbows were really bad because my confidence in this guy is in the basement...borderline hips??? On what planet?! 

Dina's elbows are clear- there is nothing hidden in those images, no tricks involved. I'm waiting to see if I can look at his male's xrays. The dog is 2, has never limped, and diagnosed w/UAP in both elbows today...sure, a dog w/bilateral UAP can sometimes not limp because both limbs hurt, but I am really lacking confidence in this guy and I hope the owner and dog weren't put through a lot of hardship for no reason. UAP is so easy to diagnose, I would think any moron could not screw that up....but............

Ah, well at least it wasn't your breeding!  Yeah, I'd like to see those x-rays, too! 

I don't know much about reading x-rays, but these look close to ideal in my opinion..... and the fact that others seem to agree only reassures that in my mind. What exactly is the vet seeing that is bad?

Even the elbows... nice and clean looking. I'm lost!

I see nothing to fear with those hips or elbows, either.

I DO have an issue with anyone rushing a dog right into surgery, before the films are even evaluated by OFA, for elbows?!?  Crikety-crow, it's not an emergency, for heaven's sake--why the hurry? I mean, bloody hell, even if the elbows were completely malformed, they obviously even weren't causing the dog any discomfort, let alone pain, based on what the owner told you...

Look, I admittedly do a bit of an eye-roll whenever I hear someone say they don't want to have their dogs under general anesthesia for hip & elbow x-rays, because the anesthetic agents used in veterinary medicine bring far, far less risk with them than those used in years past--but the fact does remain that there is always some degree of risk with anesthesia, if for no other reason than because science STILL can't really explain why and how they work. If an owner would feel awful were they to lose their dog due to a bad reaction to general anesthesia for radiographs, I can't imagine how they'd live with themselves if an adverse reaction happened not while the dog was being filmed, but after that, while the dog was under for an immediate surgery that could have waited for another day.  Lordy, I do hope that the poor dog at least came through the elbow surgery perfectly and has an uneventful recovery.

Nope I think elbows look very, very good...  BOL  Nan

Hips, fine..  ever so slightly tilted pelvis.. muscle mass slightly thicker on the right leg..    but still FINE...

in there pretty good too. Right appears tighter than left...only slightly.

Elbows are really nice.

Nothing wrong with that female!

Hope this vet isn't one who gets to rate OFA xrays!!

Dysplastic?? YIKES!! (runrunrun)

I second Hexe.. why the heck rush that other dog into surgery??

You just can't make this stuff up!!

Ok, again, THIS dog is not the one who went in for surgery. His OTHER dog, his male, same age, went in for surgery. I"d be on the evening news if it was MY dog who went in for surgery on THESE elbows!!! LOL

The problem is an owner who wants to do the right thing is told his dog has bone fragments in both elbows and will be better off with surgery. The dog may have very well needed the surgery for his longterm soundness, HOWEVER, did he need it today?! Really? Never limped a day in 2 years and had to have it today? I would not have agreed to that. I would thank the vet for their opinion and get another, if I could not read xrays myself. That's really neither here nor there at this point...just really hoping I see the xrays and see UAP. I told him he needs to negotiate that bill- not only was the evaluation utterly off-base, but he took TWELVE unneccessary views of her joints! Why 12??? All sorts of weird angles, legs straight, front and back...odd, like he was trying to diagnose some mystery ailment as opposed to just OFA films like he was paid to do. 

Kind of funny- he didn't want to give the owner the Xrays. I told him to get them and tell him not to submit before I saw the positioning. I told him to just blame me for being crazy, say it's in my contract, yada yada. Well, he ended up having to tell the vet that I would sue him if they were submitted before I had them emailed to me, LOL!! Whatever works, I guess, but the secrecy and possessiveness of the films really gets under my skin, especially when someone's been charged an arm and a leg. 

Makes me so uneasy to hear things like this based on his assessment of Dina's "borderline hips". 

I wonder how many times vets pull crap like this. A vet told the buyer of an 9 week old puppy I bred that he was going to need surgery, he had severe HD. He made the diagnosis by pulling on his rear legs. It took me a long time to convince the buyer to not schedule the surgery. At 24 months he received an OFA excellent. 

No, Jenni, I understood that Dina wasn't the dog that had the elbow surgery--it just worries me when an owner can be so easily run over by a vet, because if that's what happens when the dog isn't in any pain or immediate danger from something, what on earth are they going to let them do if they ever have a dog that has something really, really serious going on?  I hope you're able to teach this owner to take a breath, step back and take some time to think or even get a 2nd opinion unless the dog is bleeding out, bloating, or has broken bones...

I know you understood, Hexe. I wasn't sure from Nan's elbow comment if she realized it was 2 different dogs I was speaking about. I wasn't super clear at first.