Good Friday... - Page 2

I just don't know how any sane person can rectify that kind of suffering, sorry.  The logical conclusion to your video Ruger, is that this child's suffering is not only inevitable, but necessary.  And you say this with a straight face, sitting in a comfortable room, with light at the touch of a switch, food laid up, heat, indoor plumbing, etc., etc., etc., all expected, all deserved.  Well, I guess that makes you blessed, good for you.

So tell me Ruger, what would you be feeling if you were the mother of that child?  Would you consider it a blessing?

That vulture is unbelief ( satan, human knowledge, self righteousness ) and you are that child,,,He waits,,,Your time will come too,,All our time will come though most not as visually disturbing as the one you provided,,,Hence Good Friday !!,,,Indeed,,,:)

I hope you realize that this scares me about as much as it would scare you to be told that Zeus was going to throw lightning your way?  It still makes not a bit of sense and it is the worship of human sacrifice.  I'll pass, no thanks! 

travels you know what I would be thinking ,,, I am humbled and sickened at the thoughts that would go through my mind ,,,

It's not that I underestimate or refuse to acknowledge the magnitude of the suffering, but rather you understate the magnitude of sin and it's consequences. 

Maybe the little girl is not to old to be aborted, "let me check" I'll get right on that.

"I'll pass, no thanks! "  

ok, but I really wasn't offering anything ,, jmo,,,:) 

 

 

 

ML, I guess when you are being ripped apart in utero it is not considered suffering.  

Funny how people justify their beliefs  depending on what point of view they want to defend.

Oh boy. :(

And here is the public reply for this video! (I did NOT pick and choose reply comments from this video)

Reply from Bobby:
Kendrick that's right- I was listening to john macarthur say, an its on youtube-(the tension of calvanism)  that he does not know why God saved him, an that he is one of the elect-really? how can he know that. Calvanism says we cannot know who is elect-how can we if we are all tottaly depraved and cant make decisions about our salvation? Yet in the bible jesus an many others say we can know it by are trust in jesus. Lets face it we can never attain Salvation by what we do!!  So how does one attain it? 1. God picks an chooses for his own pleasure. 2. People trust in Christ an make him lord of our life.   Both are diametrically opposed to each other. So what is the BEST answer of the two. I say if God is total Justice an has Mercy like the bible says, and gives examples all thru the Bible then # 2 would be the best answer. So calvanism  says #2 is not true. Here is why I feel #1 must be the truth!!  IF  we are all somehow  tottaly depraved, then why listen to calvins determination of an infinite god, who the bible states that we cannot ever know fully, an in fact are extremely limited  and evil an cant respond with anything good, cause there is no good in us.Why should we trust even are own senses!!!  You see what I mean,calvanism by its own admission makes even conversation about God Futile. But I say no, God is LOVE an love is always fair an true,a standard that only GOD can SET. Yes we are evil.yet made in HIS IMAGE, an we can respond  which is the plain Gospel n its called Good News.  An that we can know, we are saved despite being  a practical sinner.

 

Reply from Richard:
He should be a politician!! He didn't answer the question,

Question "Does God desire all people to be saved?"
Answer "God takes no delight in sinners going to hell!"

In other words: it would be more pleasing to God that all are saved. In other words: if God sovereignly / arbitrarily decides who is saved and who isn't (Calvinist view) then it is purely down to God to please Himself! So, I guess that's why he didn't answer the question!

Reply from Kendrick:
Your right he didn't answer the question! I think Calvinists think they are the elect

Reply from Steve:
Not impressed in any way with the human rationale of explaining God's desire.  These debates have been going on for centuries, and is very doubtful that it will ever the resolved on this side of the rapture.  Good news to all.  In a little while, when we get raptured to Jesus and go to the Father's house (John 14:1-3), we will know the truth and no more foolishness and stupidity among the
Christians.

Reply from Bobby:

Look I don't care what man says an I respect rc very much but that does not mean he is right all the time. He evades the question for me. God does NOT pick n choose who is going to hell an who is not because he can. Now we get into gods various wills? the garden of eden in the first chapters of the Bible, spells it all out showing directly, that man has a choice ,otherwise LOVE which god is,is rendered useless if he wants freedom from his creatures to respond to that Love. Over an over the bible john 3.16states conditions on how to attain salvation. Jesus himself states that in ow john 3. that's simple an too the heart of the matter. That's freedom.  in no way does man somehow get glory for persuing salvation.God gives that freely an too WHO. all those that accept. Now don't tell me tottaly depraved people, if we conclude that an we are evil, cant  somehow make decisions an do some good.many terrible criminals an bad people do some good even with all there terrible descisions.Of course next to God yes we all are evil an we have the tendencies that go along with it. But WE all are made in His image!! what does that mean. WHY then would god make it alh is impossiblel an make us is we have no choice in the matter to love him despite are sins. I say Calvanists are trying to understand the infinite things of god and explain them which Is impossible.Does rc think he has explained what foreknowledge really is an predestination and election. WE might glean a few things but not enuff to say calvanism is what god is all about!! However all thru the bible I hear, You were not willing, If only you would listen.There is definitely Conditions that we must meet.Just because god knows what we will do he does not violate are will!. What it all boils down to ,if god picks and chooses then  we are robots bottom line. Why even put a forbidden tree in the garden,it makes no sense.  The bible says simply RC . believe and trust in Christ an you shall  be saved. How simple can it be.

Reply from trev:
Didn't exactly answer the question.  If you connect the dots it doesn't make any sense.  God doesn't take pleasure in the fate of unsaved people, yet his will is irresistible when it comes to salvation.  Therefore he's not willing that all should be saved and is willing that many should go to hell.  How you can engage in these sorts of mental gymnastics is beyond me.  Funny how Calvinists can rarely be nailed down to a straight answer.  One pastor I listened to just said "God loves whom he loves."  How heart warming to think I serve a capricious God who saves a tiny handful of humanity when He could save all.

There's been this nagging doubt about the church I've been going to for a year and usually the sermons just didn't sit that well with me, but I like the people and home groups.  Last Sunday the pastor covered Romans 9.  My heart sank when I realized the pastor is a full on 5 point Calvinist.  They even uploaded a doc defining God's will into 3 different categories.  So one category, God isn't willing that any should go to hell but that's a category that can be resisted, in the other irresistible category, he only wills the elect to be saved and lets the rest be damned.  

I just can't handle it, I'm looking for another church now.  There's an excellent Calvary Chapel an hour away.  I may have to make the trek because everything in my area is seeker sensitive, emergent or Calvinist anti prophecy.  Sigh, I remember years ago hearing about Europeans who had to drive hours to get to a decent church.  Seems to be happening in Canada now.  And I really wanted to find a church to settle into for the long haul.

RS,,I think you are misunderstanding ML,,JMO..

Come on Shtal,,Start a different thread for this please !!,,,smh

Am I, oops sorry ML, I thought you were drawing attention to Travels total agrement with abortion, but concern about this childs suffering.

 I guess I find it a bit hypocritical.