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by Sunsilver on 23 February 2014 - 14:02
Saw a lady walking her Afhgan on a flexi one day. It went after a squirrel and yanked the thing out of her hand. Luckily the squirrel ran up a tree, and not into the road. She was able to grab it after she and the dog made about 3 circuits of the tree... 
I also heard of a Yorkie being killed when it yanked the flexi out of its owner's hand and got bashed on the head by the plastic control unit.
You can't give a proper leash correction with one, and if your dog takes off, by the time you find the right button to press it's too late. Assuming the button even WORKS...
Oh, and it also teaches the dog it can pull. If it wants to get closer to something, it just has to pull a bit, and the leash will magically lengthen!
Stupidest piece of equipment EVER invented!!
I had a lady bring a young boxer in here. It was waring a harness, and TOTALLY out of control! It would jump up and spin around if you tried to walk with it. The young lady was temporarliy without a place of her own, and had moved back in with her mother, who, of course, told her she didn't want this out-of-control dog in the house.
I asked her why the dog was wearing a harness, and she, of course, said the trainer had told her a collar will damage the dog's neck. I put a prong on the dog, and within 5 minutes had it walking calmly beside me as if it had been to obedicene school for 6 weeks!
Like Fry said, with a dog like that, it's a choice between giving the dog its 'freedom' and giving it away to the shelter to be euthanized because it's so out of control it's dragging you down the sidewalk!
I also heard of a Yorkie being killed when it yanked the flexi out of its owner's hand and got bashed on the head by the plastic control unit.
You can't give a proper leash correction with one, and if your dog takes off, by the time you find the right button to press it's too late. Assuming the button even WORKS...
Oh, and it also teaches the dog it can pull. If it wants to get closer to something, it just has to pull a bit, and the leash will magically lengthen!
Stupidest piece of equipment EVER invented!!
I had a lady bring a young boxer in here. It was waring a harness, and TOTALLY out of control! It would jump up and spin around if you tried to walk with it. The young lady was temporarliy without a place of her own, and had moved back in with her mother, who, of course, told her she didn't want this out-of-control dog in the house.
I asked her why the dog was wearing a harness, and she, of course, said the trainer had told her a collar will damage the dog's neck. I put a prong on the dog, and within 5 minutes had it walking calmly beside me as if it had been to obedicene school for 6 weeks!
Like Fry said, with a dog like that, it's a choice between giving the dog its 'freedom' and giving it away to the shelter to be euthanized because it's so out of control it's dragging you down the sidewalk!
by kneville on 24 February 2014 - 08:02
Lol, first, a giant YES to the thought that prong collars are the best. My Mal is often complimented for her very easy-going, obedient behavior, and I'd have to say that most of that is thanks to training with her prong collar. That collar helped to prevent me entering into a battle of wills with her, and instead gave me a quick and easy way to teach her so that we could do more fun stuff instead of just discipline (plus we can go jogging with me actually leading instead of being dragged ;) ). I think we can all agree that a well trained dog is a lot more fun than an obnoxious one...
I know there's differing opinions of e-fences, and I'll agree that they are definitely not for all dogs, but the e-fence was my salvation when it came to my pup. I had tried the kennel, but she chewed, dug, jumped, and fought her way out of that thing as soon as I left. I actually came home to find her with a bloody nose and paws freaking out and waiting for me by my front door not just once, but a couple of times. There was just something about the kennel that amped up her anxiety. When I asked for advice on what to do, some people honestly suggested crating her whenever I left. Seriously??? I work 12 hours shifts... NO WAY.
So, I tried the e-fence. It's a wireless system that actually increases its shock level as the dog gets further away from the approved area. That was awesome because it wasn't like the in-ground systems that can be pushed through. My Mal figured out where the boundary was in about 0.5 seconds, and we've had a much better time together ever since. She's not crazy anxious because there's no physical barrier to fight, and she has so much more room than I could have afforded by constructing a kennel. Also, I still have designated areas in my yard that she can't go in, which means my landscaping stays the way I put it lol.
I only share this story in case anyone else has a similar problem and is looking for some ideas. I didn't trust the system at first-- I watched her like a hawk, and when I left, I thankfully had awesome neighbors that were willing to call and tell me if she'd gotten out. But she never did. It's funny, because now she trusts the collar, and I can take her other places and turn it on and she won't freak out when I leave (which is AWESOME because all you have to do is plug the transmitter in and BAM-- I know my dog will be there when I get back!). I don't even have to put the collar on at home anymore (although I always do before I leave just in case). She stays away from the fences and in her running area and seems to be very happy with our arrangement.
And one last note on e-collars. I know some people hate them for training, but I loved her vibration collar. It has made it so that I can easily transistion from on to off-leash training, plus it has a shock option in case she starts to get too close to something that could hurt her, like the street, a canal, etc... She's just so high-drive that sometimes she needs that little vibration to remind her to stop whatever she's doing and listen (I've only shocked her maybe twice... After that, the first vibration immediately gets her attention, and now my voice alone accomplishes the mission 99.9% of the time). It worked like a charm. I'm not a professional dog trainer, so this tool has been a big blessing. My goal was to bring my 1 year old, Belgian Malinios from a nervous, aggressive wreck to the all-around wonder dog that I knew she could be, and these tools helped me to speed up that process. Again, not for all dogs, but if you're at a loss at least its something to consider.
I know there's differing opinions of e-fences, and I'll agree that they are definitely not for all dogs, but the e-fence was my salvation when it came to my pup. I had tried the kennel, but she chewed, dug, jumped, and fought her way out of that thing as soon as I left. I actually came home to find her with a bloody nose and paws freaking out and waiting for me by my front door not just once, but a couple of times. There was just something about the kennel that amped up her anxiety. When I asked for advice on what to do, some people honestly suggested crating her whenever I left. Seriously??? I work 12 hours shifts... NO WAY.
So, I tried the e-fence. It's a wireless system that actually increases its shock level as the dog gets further away from the approved area. That was awesome because it wasn't like the in-ground systems that can be pushed through. My Mal figured out where the boundary was in about 0.5 seconds, and we've had a much better time together ever since. She's not crazy anxious because there's no physical barrier to fight, and she has so much more room than I could have afforded by constructing a kennel. Also, I still have designated areas in my yard that she can't go in, which means my landscaping stays the way I put it lol.
I only share this story in case anyone else has a similar problem and is looking for some ideas. I didn't trust the system at first-- I watched her like a hawk, and when I left, I thankfully had awesome neighbors that were willing to call and tell me if she'd gotten out. But she never did. It's funny, because now she trusts the collar, and I can take her other places and turn it on and she won't freak out when I leave (which is AWESOME because all you have to do is plug the transmitter in and BAM-- I know my dog will be there when I get back!). I don't even have to put the collar on at home anymore (although I always do before I leave just in case). She stays away from the fences and in her running area and seems to be very happy with our arrangement.
And one last note on e-collars. I know some people hate them for training, but I loved her vibration collar. It has made it so that I can easily transistion from on to off-leash training, plus it has a shock option in case she starts to get too close to something that could hurt her, like the street, a canal, etc... She's just so high-drive that sometimes she needs that little vibration to remind her to stop whatever she's doing and listen (I've only shocked her maybe twice... After that, the first vibration immediately gets her attention, and now my voice alone accomplishes the mission 99.9% of the time). It worked like a charm. I'm not a professional dog trainer, so this tool has been a big blessing. My goal was to bring my 1 year old, Belgian Malinios from a nervous, aggressive wreck to the all-around wonder dog that I knew she could be, and these tools helped me to speed up that process. Again, not for all dogs, but if you're at a loss at least its something to consider.
by Sunsilver on 24 February 2014 - 13:02
Very interesting, Kneville! I am one that never trusted an electric fence. The only thing I used mine for was to protect my landscaping. My two loved to chase each other through my rose bed, and my male LOVES to excavate!
The whole property was surrounded by a white picket fence as a back-up, in case one of them decided to ignore the collars.
The whole property was surrounded by a white picket fence as a back-up, in case one of them decided to ignore the collars.
by SitasMom on 26 February 2014 - 01:02
kneville, what is the Name of the e-containment system you are using?
do you have a link or photo of it?
I'm interested.
do you have a link or photo of it?
I'm interested.
by kneville on 26 February 2014 - 03:02
Lol, heya Sunsilver and SitasMom! And oh yes, Sunsilver, I have a 6 ft. fence as well, the only problem is my lady goes over it in the blink of an eye! But I do like that she's not visible to anyone passing by... And I love that she can't dig up my flower pots anymore! :D
If you're interested, the system I'm using is the PetSafe Wireless Containment System, see http://www.amazon.com/PetSafe-Wireless-Containment-System-PIF-300/dp/B0001ZWZ8O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393382845&sr=8-1&keywords=wireless+pet+containment+system (amazon seemed to be cheapest...). The crazy thing is it was actually cheaper than the kennel I tried, required NO digging, etc... The only thing is I attached the collar device to a leather collar instead of the flimsy red one they give you, and you have to keep buying batteries at first (each one last about 1.5 months), but now my pup doesn't even challenge it so I'm not too worried about it. All she has to do is hear that warning beep and she'll back up towards the house. If you can find a rechargable version, I'd definitely recommend trying that instead. Also, it only creates a circular barrier, so you can't configure it like you could an inground system, but you don't have to haul an entire inground system around either. So, this would be a great system to use while camping or road tripping to visit your family! Plus, it has safety features that shut it down if the power goes out, so you don't have to worry about your pup getting nailed for no reason. Just things to think about if you're considering it. Like I said, I loved it because it helped my Mal overcome her anxiety and was the only thing that contained my escape artist. Knowing that she's home safe and sound and happy while I'm at work made that thing worth every penny :)
Hope you guys are having a great day!
If you're interested, the system I'm using is the PetSafe Wireless Containment System, see http://www.amazon.com/PetSafe-Wireless-Containment-System-PIF-300/dp/B0001ZWZ8O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393382845&sr=8-1&keywords=wireless+pet+containment+system (amazon seemed to be cheapest...). The crazy thing is it was actually cheaper than the kennel I tried, required NO digging, etc... The only thing is I attached the collar device to a leather collar instead of the flimsy red one they give you, and you have to keep buying batteries at first (each one last about 1.5 months), but now my pup doesn't even challenge it so I'm not too worried about it. All she has to do is hear that warning beep and she'll back up towards the house. If you can find a rechargable version, I'd definitely recommend trying that instead. Also, it only creates a circular barrier, so you can't configure it like you could an inground system, but you don't have to haul an entire inground system around either. So, this would be a great system to use while camping or road tripping to visit your family! Plus, it has safety features that shut it down if the power goes out, so you don't have to worry about your pup getting nailed for no reason. Just things to think about if you're considering it. Like I said, I loved it because it helped my Mal overcome her anxiety and was the only thing that contained my escape artist. Knowing that she's home safe and sound and happy while I'm at work made that thing worth every penny :)
Hope you guys are having a great day!
by SitasMom on 26 February 2014 - 04:02
kneville thank you.
by Jeffs on 10 March 2014 - 17:03
I had a friend with 2 coon dogs. No fence could contain them. They could climb just about anything. So he installed an invisible fence along with the regular fence. It's one thing to run thru the electric fence. It's something completely different to try to climb an 8 foot chain link fence as the ecollar is going off.
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