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by susie on 07 February 2014 - 18:02
You got me - I really don´t know exactly....
Some breeders ( the Martin brothers in front ) started x-raying for HD in the sixties - mandatory? I think somewhen in the early 80´s , but I really don´t remember.
ED somewhen in the early 2000´s , I think it was 2002.
DNA became mandatory in 1999, if I remember well.
Some breeders ( the Martin brothers in front ) started x-raying for HD in the sixties - mandatory? I think somewhen in the early 80´s , but I really don´t remember.
ED somewhen in the early 2000´s , I think it was 2002.
DNA became mandatory in 1999, if I remember well.
by Keith Grossman on 07 February 2014 - 18:02
DNA'ing for breed might get a little dicey: http://www.rsv2000.de/opencms/en/news/special-articels/breeding/genetische-differenzierung-des-dsh.html
by susie on 07 February 2014 - 18:02
This study was made in 2011 in Finland, and does show what happens to genetics without care.
But, after all, a "working dog" in Finland is a dog with a 5 generation pedigree of working titled ancestors, not more, not less.
Finland is not Germany ( if we follow their study, all of our German dogs would be working line dogs, because all of them do have titled ancestors ), but you should be able to compare the Alsatian to the Finland "showlines", with generations of breeding without testing working abilities.
But, after all, a "working dog" in Finland is a dog with a 5 generation pedigree of working titled ancestors, not more, not less.
Finland is not Germany ( if we follow their study, all of our German dogs would be working line dogs, because all of them do have titled ancestors ), but you should be able to compare the Alsatian to the Finland "showlines", with generations of breeding without testing working abilities.
by bea on 07 February 2014 - 18:02
ED 2004
HD I think around 1980, it was done before that but mandatory for breeding around that time
HD I think around 1980, it was done before that but mandatory for breeding around that time
by susie on 07 February 2014 - 18:02
Are you sure about 2004, I thought it was 2002 ?!?
Giessen ( Tellhelm ) started in 2001 officially for SV, but this wasn´t mandatory at once.
Giessen ( Tellhelm ) started in 2001 officially for SV, but this wasn´t mandatory at once.
by joanro on 07 February 2014 - 19:02
Ok, thank you for your replies.
Now, If Germany, the bellwether of the breed, didn't make HD testing mandatory till the 80's, how could it be that a poor country, such as Czechoslovakia, make exraying mandatory or even have the means of exraying ? Did they even have exray machines for vet use, and if so, who could have afforded the use of it for something like hd testing for breeding purposes? In history, working breeds after all, were not tested for health, they either made it or not.....
Now, If Germany, the bellwether of the breed, didn't make HD testing mandatory till the 80's, how could it be that a poor country, such as Czechoslovakia, make exraying mandatory or even have the means of exraying ? Did they even have exray machines for vet use, and if so, who could have afforded the use of it for something like hd testing for breeding purposes? In history, working breeds after all, were not tested for health, they either made it or not.....
by susie on 13 February 2014 - 17:02
I was too curious, and so I asked SV....
"...wir nehmen Bezug auf Ihr E-Mail und teilen Ihnen mit, dass auf der Bundesversammlung im Mai 1997 beschlossen wurde, dass ab 01.01.1998 ein anerkannter HD-Befund „normal, fast normal, noch zugelassen“ in der Ahnentafel für alle Hunde, die zur Zucht eingesetzt werden, nachgewiesen werden muss. Weiterhin wurde auf der Bundesversammlung im Mai 2005 beschlossen, dass auch ein anerkannter ED-Befund „normal, fast normal, noch zugelassen“ für alle Hunde, die ab 01.01.2004 geboren sind, für die Zucht notwendig ist.
Die DNA-Lagernummer wurde ebenfalls im Jahr 1998 als Zuchtvoraussetzung eingeführt. "
This sais, that HD became mandatory in 1998 ( ! ), I was totally wrong, because most of the breeders did x-ray far earlier. Amazing!
ED became mandatory in 2005 for all dogs born in 2004 and younger.
DNA became mandatory in 1998.
My memories haven´t been very accurate...
Kind regards,
Susie
"...wir nehmen Bezug auf Ihr E-Mail und teilen Ihnen mit, dass auf der Bundesversammlung im Mai 1997 beschlossen wurde, dass ab 01.01.1998 ein anerkannter HD-Befund „normal, fast normal, noch zugelassen“ in der Ahnentafel für alle Hunde, die zur Zucht eingesetzt werden, nachgewiesen werden muss. Weiterhin wurde auf der Bundesversammlung im Mai 2005 beschlossen, dass auch ein anerkannter ED-Befund „normal, fast normal, noch zugelassen“ für alle Hunde, die ab 01.01.2004 geboren sind, für die Zucht notwendig ist.
Die DNA-Lagernummer wurde ebenfalls im Jahr 1998 als Zuchtvoraussetzung eingeführt. "
This sais, that HD became mandatory in 1998 ( ! ), I was totally wrong, because most of the breeders did x-ray far earlier. Amazing!
ED became mandatory in 2005 for all dogs born in 2004 and younger.
DNA became mandatory in 1998.
My memories haven´t been very accurate...
Kind regards,
Susie
by joanro on 14 February 2014 - 00:02
You're super! Thank you, Susie.
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