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by VKGSDs on 13 January 2014 - 23:01
I can't afford to titer all my dogs every year, heck I don't even titer myself. Three years has worked as a compromise (and I stop vaccinating once they are senior, no longer doing heavy travel and training/competition). Never had a vaccine reaction in a dog.
If it were up to my vet, there would be 4 puppy shots, rabies at 6 months, then rabies at 1 year, rabies every 3 years, some 4-way thing every year, and bordetella every 6 months. I don't do NEAR that much, but they accept what I want, no pressure or questions.
If it were up to my vet, there would be 4 puppy shots, rabies at 6 months, then rabies at 1 year, rabies every 3 years, some 4-way thing every year, and bordetella every 6 months. I don't do NEAR that much, but they accept what I want, no pressure or questions.
by CMills on 13 January 2014 - 23:01
@northwoods- I hope you're not referring to me as "blindly following my vets recommendations"?? I'm a registered nurse, work with sick people every day, have for decades, have my own opinions on what the vaccine schedule that works for me is, and follow it. After all, the vets are the ones with years of schooling, not us. I will listen to their advise, then do what has worked for me for years. After working with sick people all day, I sure don't want to come home to sick dogs.
@VKGSD- I'm with you, I can't afford to titer mine either, nor myself. LOL
@VKGSD- I'm with you, I can't afford to titer mine either, nor myself. LOL
by Jenni78 on 13 January 2014 - 23:01
Northwoods, I wasn't really talking to you, lol. I was more "tacking onto" your post to CMills...adding to the "why?" ;-) Sorry to be confusing.
by northwoodsGSD on 14 January 2014 - 00:01
VKGSDs,
I hear you on the cost of running titers. I run titers every 3 yrs, as that's when the boosters would be due. My dogs aren't all on the same schedule, so the cost is spread out ;)
Once the dog hits it's senior yrs, I stop doing even the titers.
Cmills,
My comment about "blindly following" means exactly that... doing what a vet suggests without any research & having no other reason for doing something other than "my vet said to"
It's not up to me to determine if someone fits that description or not.
Jenni
It's all good :)
I hear you on the cost of running titers. I run titers every 3 yrs, as that's when the boosters would be due. My dogs aren't all on the same schedule, so the cost is spread out ;)
Once the dog hits it's senior yrs, I stop doing even the titers.
Cmills,
My comment about "blindly following" means exactly that... doing what a vet suggests without any research & having no other reason for doing something other than "my vet said to"
It's not up to me to determine if someone fits that description or not.
Jenni
It's all good :)
by Spooks on 14 January 2014 - 04:01
Here in the UK the regime for vaccinating is usually as follows, using Nobivac as an example.
Parvovirus is really on the increase, 34% last year and in the last 5 months of 2013 there were over 250 areas where cases of parvo had been reported. A lot of vets have started doing a third Parvo shot at 16 weeks old as it's thought that the maternal antibodies are remaining longer in the pup than the 8 weeks when vaccine prog starts, therefore cancelling any immunity a shot will give. Nobivac have also started a Lepto 4 vaccine to replace the Lepto 2. With 1st injection of Lepto 4 a follow up injection is required 4 weeks later and then continues as 1 injection annually.
DHPPi + Lepto 2/4
D = Distemper,
H = Hepatitis,
P = Parvovirus,
Pi = Parainfluenza. (Parainfluenza can be one of the causes of Kennel Cough which of course is given separately.)
Lepto 2/4 = Leptospirosis
8 weeks Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
10 weeks Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
12 weeks Novibac Lepto 4
16 weeks Nobivac Parvo-C
1st annual booster Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
2nd annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
3rd annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
4th annual booster Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
5th annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
6th annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
7th annual booster Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
The only thing I have against titres are that by not vaccinating your dog, it can be a carrier of Parvo and pass the disease on to unvaccinated dogs.
Parvovirus is really on the increase, 34% last year and in the last 5 months of 2013 there were over 250 areas where cases of parvo had been reported. A lot of vets have started doing a third Parvo shot at 16 weeks old as it's thought that the maternal antibodies are remaining longer in the pup than the 8 weeks when vaccine prog starts, therefore cancelling any immunity a shot will give. Nobivac have also started a Lepto 4 vaccine to replace the Lepto 2. With 1st injection of Lepto 4 a follow up injection is required 4 weeks later and then continues as 1 injection annually.
DHPPi + Lepto 2/4
D = Distemper,
H = Hepatitis,
P = Parvovirus,
Pi = Parainfluenza. (Parainfluenza can be one of the causes of Kennel Cough which of course is given separately.)
Lepto 2/4 = Leptospirosis
8 weeks Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
10 weeks Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
12 weeks Novibac Lepto 4
16 weeks Nobivac Parvo-C
1st annual booster Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
2nd annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
3rd annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
4th annual booster Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
5th annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
6th annual booster Nobivac Pi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
7th annual booster Nobivac DHPPi + Nobivac Lepto 2/4
The only thing I have against titres are that by not vaccinating your dog, it can be a carrier of Parvo and pass the disease on to unvaccinated dogs.
by Jenni78 on 14 January 2014 - 04:01
Spooks, I'm sorry, but not only is that an archaic vaccination protocol, but that last sentence is........misinformed. Carrier of parvo? Vaccinating makes them not a carrier? Titers in lieu of vaccination would make them more likely to be carriers??? 
If you meant something else, please clarify.
If you meant something else, please clarify. by Spooks on 14 January 2014 - 05:01
People who rely on titres to protect their dog are only protecting their dog. If their dog has been in close contact with parvo pathogens, their dog could be a parvo carrier and pass the parvovirus to an unvaccinated dog.
Archaic? I don't think so. How on earth would you contain canine viruses from spreading in a country the size of the UK? The UK doesn't do separate vaccines for Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, only for Parvo and Lepto.
Could you please explain why you think it is archaic?
Archaic? I don't think so. How on earth would you contain canine viruses from spreading in a country the size of the UK? The UK doesn't do separate vaccines for Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, only for Parvo and Lepto.
Could you please explain why you think it is archaic?
by kitkat3478 on 14 January 2014 - 07:01
Spooks, parvo can come in on the mailmans shoe, the meter reader,.etc., etc.,so a vaccination don't stop nothing from carrying it in.
Depending on time of year, I vaccinate at 6-8 weeks with Neopar, than 2 weeks, just Neopar, than 4 weeks later for parvo/ distemper, than 6 months and one year.
I am scared to death of parvo.
Depending on time of year, I vaccinate at 6-8 weeks with Neopar, than 2 weeks, just Neopar, than 4 weeks later for parvo/ distemper, than 6 months and one year.
I am scared to death of parvo.
by VKGSDs on 14 January 2014 - 09:01
Last I knew anything can "carry" (literally) parvo. That is why when I visit a litter of puppies I bring a sterile change of clothes, since I am around so many dogs/dog training clubs and cannot always account for the health of every dog near me (other than my own).
by Jenni78 on 14 January 2014 - 09:01
Spooks, you're misunderstanding the way viruses are carried and the way vaccination works. I'm not trying to belittle you; I just don't have much time right now and your basic ideas of what vaccines actually do (and what they cannot possibly do!) is off, so we need to go back to square number 1 to even have this discussion.
The size of the UK? I didn't know the UK was sooo much bigger than the US............
Here's one article on titers, study done in UK. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15119729
Seriously, though, Spooks, a lot of research has been done- it's all there for anyone who wants to read it. Titers are doing nothing to increase "carriers" of parvo, as you think.
The size of the UK? I didn't know the UK was sooo much bigger than the US............
Here's one article on titers, study done in UK. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15119729
Seriously, though, Spooks, a lot of research has been done- it's all there for anyone who wants to read it. Titers are doing nothing to increase "carriers" of parvo, as you think.
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