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The dog did what a dog is supposed to do. The friend did not (going into someone elses home without being invited in) and the owner did not (got a big dog, keep the darn door locked). I know how friends are welcome in your home freely a lot of times and I know how home owners do not lock their doors all of the time, especially if they have dogs (I don't lock mine but my house is not that large and if someone is in the front of my house, my dogs will be barking and notify me, way before the door can be opened), but still. You have a big dog. Protect it, protect yourself and protect your friends. It's called being a responsible dog owner.

Doing what comes natural......lock doors and gates to your property. 8 years ago when I moved to my acreage I had not a lock on gate to the three acres, signs of the front openings, and I was down the hill in back when i decided to walk back to house and accompaning me was two well trained Schut dogs, Zu and Thor...as I approached the top of hill, both dogs alerted and started to go toward gate ....Nine....plaaaattttzz!!!!amd down they went , only to view a man in the driveway part, gate shut, and starring at me.....I yelled "what in the world are u doing on my property?" reply: "Im collecting for the city fire dept. to help our new building plans and new equipment..." I came unglued, as Im 16 miles from the city and my house would burn to the ground if it caught on fire before any fire truck would even be dispatched to me..l..I ask him to glady remove his happy carcus to the street and did he read the sign.....ur lucky to be standing and not being carried out in a body bag," because if u fight against any of my dogs, they will not stop ,,The gate received a lock and is lcoked 24/7. If I had not been there when the dogs saw him it would have been a bad scene.......not my fault, but my dogs would have been quarantined, a law suit would have been filed, and a decree of raising dangerous dogs issued, because that is the mindset of the general public today........signs dont mean a thing.....they mean u knew u had a bad dog and u are liable.......no matter which way u go,. owner of dog in wrong.....been dealing with these laws since 1989

I still disagree with the facts I know... Sounds like the lady did not enter the house as the dog used his paws to open it. She must have been in the doorway. I want my dogs to defend but not sure that quickly. I had a male like that and had to been extremenly careful as he never barked and the only warning would be a deep rumble in his chest as he went for the bite. You raised your voice to me or moved to quickly he would go from a loveable bear to a tiger in a heartbeat.After I sold him he bite a police officier bad on the arm. He was a natural defender but just didi not ever have the ability to tell the difference between a threat or non threat..

almost forgot.. The reason I sold him was my kids were playing in the back yard and a 10 yr old boy heard them and came in thru the back gate.. My male took him down and stood on top of him and bite him ever time he tried to move. Luckily my neighbors were nice and did not blame the dog. I had a friend who had been wanting him so I sold him.

Everybody thinks they want a dog like this but it is a huge responsability.

I still disagree with the facts I know... Sounds like the lady did not enter the house as the dog used his paws to open it. She must have been in the doorway. I want my dogs to defend but not sure that quickly. I had a male like that and had to been extremenly careful as he never barked and the only warning would be a deep rumble in his chest as he went for the bite. You raised your voice to me or moved to quickly he would go from a loveable bear to a tiger in a heartbeat.After I sold him he bite a police officier bad on the arm. He was a natural defender but just didi not ever have the ability to tell the difference between a threat or non threat..

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The lady was entering the house. Not cracking and yelling through the crack. She was in the process of coming in and he pulled it as it was opening.

As far as how quickly he should defend, I don't quite know how to respond to that. I think I would prefer that an intruder was stopped in the entryway instead of at the top of the stairs.  Maybe there is another way to explain his personality but I don't have any other way to other than the way I have.  This dog is unshakeable. He is calm (hound dog) friendly, happy go lucky and outgoing.  I know his parents and several of his siblings and this is simply their personality. I don't quite understand why you are comparing him to a hair trigger dog. He is not. I've known him for a long time, as I frequently went to visit the breeders who were friends of mine. Is the comparison because he bit and didn't bite again unless she tried to enter the house? What about Sch training? Aren't they trained to hold the person there as long as they don't try to leave? And none of these bites were much. Certainly not a severe as he had the ability to do.

A person he did not know, knocks and is not granted entrance by the owner. This person enters anyway with an unknowing owner upstairs and keeps trying to progress into the house even when given warning bites. Define non threat.  Would your feelings be the same if it were night and she were asleep?

I don't know why you are characterizing him as a hair trigger dog.  The breeders have a daughter whose friends were there running around all the time, cats, puppies.  This dog is no hair trigger.

I wanted input based on who he is, not who another dog was. I don't mean to sund rude but I'm frustrated that you are reading things into his personality that simply are not there. As a result I don't feel that we are having a clear conversation. I do appreciate your taking the time for this, though.

If course I don't know your dog. My point is that I had the most loveable, calm, strong nerved male Gsd. But if a stranger came over he was quick to defend his home. He did not realize a real threat vs non threat. Is this similier to how your dog acts? I considered him a danger because of this and sold him. Not saying anything wrong with your dog but I considered it a problem as he could bite innocent when he should not.

Not trying to make you mad but I think you are trying to rationlize your dog biting a non threat person: You first said the dog bite her everytime she moved. Your last post you said the dog bite her again when she kept trying to come in the house? :Your words : "Is the comparison because he bit and didn't bite again unless she tried to enter the house? " I don't what you or anyone else says you need to be very careful with your dog. He may be a great dog but could be a problem. Notice I said could! I don't know your dog but you will very soon. I am offering advise to be careful so you get get someone hurt. Don't(not that you are) bury your head in the head until this happens then say how sorry you are...

I have never seen it in either this dog or his relatives.  He isn't mine, but I wanted him and was considering buying him from my friends, who are his breeders, when I found out they were going to sell him.  Unfortunately, I mentioned it to my other friend who had wanted him for a while.  Long story short, I didn't have the heart to take him when she wanted him so badly.  Sigh. So, she has him and I have dibs on first pick for a repeat breeding (if they do one).

I guess the only part I don't get  is why a stranger entering without permission isn't a threat.  I'll say up front though, and maybe it's tainting my evaluation of a threat, I'm a former Marine and real solid on the concept of "my space" and not real flexible on the issue of unauthorized entrance.  Er, um, maybe it's not the common definition.

Desert Ranger I agree with you: When a person has a german shepherd in his possession, no matter how well trained, or not trained, they act on natural instinct, and when the owner is not present,the dog has no other choice, because said owner was not present, and dog did what comes natural , and the woman had an object in her hands, boxes, and yelled also, mail call, maybe the dog thought she said male ball and that meant to the dog maul this person...who knows.....cant blame the dog,,,blame the owner for leaving dog in a situation with doors unlocked......when u own a shepherd ur responsibility is different that it was without one and u must do the necessary steps to protect the dog and the other people....a child disobeys its parents and causes trouble sometimes and harms people and others...well....dogs do also....except they have 2,000lbs of crushing power in the jaws that they bite with........