who all managed a timid puppy and how? - Page 2

Well at least you broke away from the holy bullshit, that's a start.

It's not a reward she needs, what she needs is to trust another human besides you.
She also needs to know who not to trust, this is done by your choice of people.
It takes time to do this, not just one session a week.

Do you know someone who you trust that has the right temperament and the time to take your dog for a while and work on this trust?
I'm sure you know people you don't trust with bad intent that can teach the dog who not to trust.
These people cant pretend they must be the real deal , the dog will know.


 P.S.
even if you find the right person, you waited too long to start this kind of socializing, but you might keep it in mind for the next pup you raise.
I try to make people understand how important time is and how early you need to start working on these types of things.

interesting, the mom's was left to be passed around cos i had to go away for a week when she was a pup, went to families. she does not have these issues so much and it is def in the line. i think the gyp does not want to try real hard as she just doesn't need any other folk in her life. i think all my pups in future will be left with big busy families for some time. wish i could find the right person like you said but the experts here always want to try push it to prove something and sets her back.

Well you don't need a trainer, or families, just someone who is good with animals, some one genuine, who has the time, and can win her over, it's a start.
Sometimes you'll find people like this where you least expect it, and sometimes a person like this works at a kennel, I can usually tell when I meet someone and so can a dog, they have a sense about people.
That's really the only way, for someone besides you to win her over enough to gain her trust, it's not easy to find that person and it takes time and effort, but it can be done.

I do this with pups, expose them to certain people who they can trust, lots of them including children while I over see every move.
Later, much later I introduce them to people they cannot trust, and there are ways to reinforce this.

I do this with my GSD's, I don't know if I'd go through it all with a hunting dog or not.





 

Well hey,
I'm gonna go.
You see if you can find just one person and give this a try.
Later.

most certainly will do, thanks for tips, really appreciated the chat.

Take her to places where there are people - but not crowds.  Just a few people (at first).  Make sure the dog is hungry.  Give some kibble to the people and ask them to give the kibble to the dog as you bring the dog to them.  No petting, no talking, no looking at the dog - just have the dog take kibble from them.

 

Jeffs,
explain how this would help a dog, other than getting it stolen or poisoned, or getting someone bitten?
 

Twomoons -

I assume you are concerned about a dog that is off leash running up to people.  Solution - don't let the dog off leash.

The stated issue is the dog is timid  - which I assume means the dog is timid towards people.  By giving people food to give to the dog, then the dog learns to associate people with good things and that it develops positive experiences with people.  The best place that I've seen to do this is in a training class with people sympathetic to the issue.  But if that isn't an option, then they have to look for appropriate places. 

When children want to pet my dog, I give them treats to give my dog so that my dog associates children with positive experiences and makes my dog less concerned with children.  I do this with adults as well.  My dog isn't timid, so I don't let my dog get the treat until I give him permission.  But with a timid dog, the dog will need all the encouragement he can get - at least initially.  Later, when the dog is less timid, I would work on the dog not going up to a person until I gave permission - but not right away.  Initially, I do this in calm places and over time I would do it in places with more activity.

As far as preventing your dog from being stolen or poisoned, not sure how that happens to a dog on a leash.Or try teaching the dog to come when called.

A timid dog is more likely to bite a person out of fear.  I don't see how a dog going up to a person to take a treat will result in the dog being aggressive to the person with food.  I can see how a timid dog might bite a kid that runs up to it and gives it a hug.  But not sure how a timid dog bites a kid that the dog walks up to - it's not like like the interaction is forced on the dog.  If the dog doesn't want to go up to the person for the treat, then the dog doesn't have to go.

Jeff i disagree with your last comments. A timid or fearful dog often will "Snatch" a treat causing a accidental bite. If that dog snatches a treat from a child real harm could be done.
We are dealing with hound temperament, not lab or shepherd. Hounds are bred to be more independent of people. They don't need our guidance like shepherds or bird dogs will.
There for they are less likely to do our bidding. And i'm not saying that hounds are not smart. They are just not wired to be at our beck and call like lap dogs.
Forcing a hound to do something it doesn't want to can easily lead to resentment. Which in return leads to willful disobedience.
I had a half plott hound/American bulldog. Tough bitch, sort of biddable if she was enjoying working. But i could not force her into anything. I really had to be creative to get her to work at the sports i had her training in. But when i got things right man did she shine!

VK4GSD don't force the dog. Just work with her and give her a chance to develope in her own time. Otherwise you will end up with a dog that will not work and you have wasted her time and talent.
And stop breeding sub-par dogs is you don't like the results.
Fry
 

Jeffs,
I don't come to this side of the forum much anymore because i don't want to deal with people like yourself.
You either didn't read the thread or you didn't understand it.
I'm sure you mean well, but your advice is bad advice.
I've been doing this my whole life jeffs.

Jeffs,
socializing is good, it's required, just leave out the treats.

Your right Fry,
a hound has it's own specific traits, as each breed does, but this is a trust issue and that is not breed specific.
The man simply wants his dog to except being kenneled and handled by kennel staff and to not freak out on the vet or their staff.
This can be done and willful disobedience is never tolerated, never allowed.
At the same time I agree, every dog has it's limitations and should never be forced.
You can break an animal and never be able to put the pieces back together again.

A dog never forgets.