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by SitasMom on 20 September 2013 - 02:09
google name of breeder and then name of kennel and complaint and then rip off
see what comes up.
see what comes up.
by SitasMom on 20 September 2013 - 02:09
A2 isn't necessarily OFA good......be careful.
From Fred Lanting's book Canine Hip Dysplasia and Other Orthopedic Disorders.
From Fred Lanting's book Canine Hip Dysplasia and Other Orthopedic Disorders.
by Hundmutter on 20 September 2013 - 03:09
Hi Alison - forgot to include this in my first response, so I'll do it
now: Welcome to PDB, hope that you will stick around now you
have found us. Best of luck with the new pup when you find him/
her ! We love pictures of members' dogs and to hear how they
are getting on; and there are wise and experienced posters on here
who can be a great help with questions you have as your pup
develops.
Having said all that, I also ought to tell you that most people here are
passionate about the GSD breed; and sometimes we can say things
that seem a bit harsh ! But please believe, it is usually well-meant,
for both you and your dog's sake; and we try to be honest and straight-
forward rather than sugar-coating stuff.
Afraid I can't help directly with good breeders in your State, I'm not even
in your Country ! But I did take a looksee at the website of the breeder
you mentioned, and like Barb I didn't really like what I saw. The dogs
pictured look happy and healthy enough, and well socialised especially
with Shelley's own children. BUT for a site that has been operating since
2007 there is an awful lot of it still 'under construction' that can't be accessed,
including most of the pages a potential buyer needs to look at. The paragraph
at the bottom of their homepage about the training of their dogs is gobbledegook,
its so badly written, and I would have sorted that out and expanded on it, if I was
her. Plus the same queries as were already stated about health results details,
any training titles etc. At '4-6 litters p.a.' this breeder seems to spend more time
producing more, than undertaking meaningful work / sport with the dogs she's
got. JMO. So I might take a look, but would probably pass.
Beware of getting sucked in to buying the first pup you are shown because you fall
in love ! Or buying one just because you don't like the conditions you see, and want
to rescue it - you just make room for another one. Not the best way to start a relation-
ship you hope is going to last for some 8 - 12 years ...
Linda.
now: Welcome to PDB, hope that you will stick around now you
have found us. Best of luck with the new pup when you find him/
her ! We love pictures of members' dogs and to hear how they
are getting on; and there are wise and experienced posters on here
who can be a great help with questions you have as your pup
develops.
Having said all that, I also ought to tell you that most people here are
passionate about the GSD breed; and sometimes we can say things
that seem a bit harsh ! But please believe, it is usually well-meant,
for both you and your dog's sake; and we try to be honest and straight-
forward rather than sugar-coating stuff.
Afraid I can't help directly with good breeders in your State, I'm not even
in your Country ! But I did take a looksee at the website of the breeder
you mentioned, and like Barb I didn't really like what I saw. The dogs
pictured look happy and healthy enough, and well socialised especially
with Shelley's own children. BUT for a site that has been operating since
2007 there is an awful lot of it still 'under construction' that can't be accessed,
including most of the pages a potential buyer needs to look at. The paragraph
at the bottom of their homepage about the training of their dogs is gobbledegook,
its so badly written, and I would have sorted that out and expanded on it, if I was
her. Plus the same queries as were already stated about health results details,
any training titles etc. At '4-6 litters p.a.' this breeder seems to spend more time
producing more, than undertaking meaningful work / sport with the dogs she's
got. JMO. So I might take a look, but would probably pass.
Beware of getting sucked in to buying the first pup you are shown because you fall
in love ! Or buying one just because you don't like the conditions you see, and want
to rescue it - you just make room for another one. Not the best way to start a relation-
ship you hope is going to last for some 8 - 12 years ...
Linda.
by Jenni78 on 20 September 2013 - 09:09
I'll ignore our new spammer here and answer...
I both agree and disagree with what's been said.
You cannot judge a person solely on their website. A website is nothing more than an overview, a quick glance, and there is nothing on this website that is so bad that it would make me NOT ask the owner about it. Some are SO BAD that you just know you want nothing to do with their dogs. This one isn't in that category. Honestly, I'd rather see a website missing stuff, especially when it appears to be a small, family breeder, than a perfect, professional website designed to make the breeder look fantastic, updated every day or nearly every day, because many, many of these great-looking websites are really nothing but a high-priced puppy mill, churning out litter after litter after litter, and while the dogs they started with might be very nice, how the heck does the breeder know when she's got 9 litters on the ground at one time?! She doesn't! These websites are fun to look at, the dogs all look great, they appear to have all their ducks in a row, if you will, but of course they do...because selling puppies is their bread and butter. They HAVE to update that site every day if they want to make a living. I have an easier time excusing a busy mother who may have forgotten to update a page (especially if she does it herself instead of paying a hosting service) amidst the chaos of dogs and kids. If you want a pup that someone has spent some time with and gotten to know a bit, observed its traits and compared it against what you want, you sometimes have to go a different route. That's not to say that many commercial breeders don't do this; I'm only saying that judging website against website isn't the best method.
Now, onto this breeder in particular. I looked at it last night and thought "Meh." Honestly, you could do so much worse. There are a few holes pointed out by other posters, but that brings me back to my first paragraph; if something is missing, ask the breeder. Then check her answers, if possible. I see nothing concerning about A2 hips. That is such an old, pointless debate...I won't even go there. They appear to have imported good quality dogs. The one dam is out of their breeding, and here's where I also have to disagree a bit about titling. We don't know this woman's background. I am not one of those die-hard "you have to title a dog to know it" people. Often, the folks who say this look down on many, many other forms of work the GSD was intended to do. Very often, as I've seen and it totally turned me off, they haven't a clue what their dog is OFF the field because they don't bother with the poor thing unless their training. It's hit or miss; I won't condemn all people who title their dogs because I've known some who treat them wonderfully, but I know just as many, if not more, who I would bite if I were their dog.
But I digress...back to the working your own dogs thing...when I was younger, before I had children and when I had a very free schedule, I spent... every.free.minute...working my dogs. I trained with a Schutzhund club, I trained with French Ring clubs, I trained in personal protection with various people, I trained in small groups with friends, I trained and tracked my dogs with the local K9 departments, and that's all I did. My dogs came to work with me and I had a very free schedule. I traveled 750 miles each way to train with someone I was particularly intrigued with. And it paid off. From there, I learned things most pet owners and even working dog people don't often have the opportunity to see/learn. My dogs benefited greatly. They trained here, there, in the US, out of the US...and it was a big learning experience for both of us. I got made fun of quite a bit, as did my dogs. I was called names at work, we were ribbed at the clubs and of course the cops gave us a good dose of good-natured teasing as well. But I will never look at dogs the same as I would have if I'd stuck with sport field training.
So...fast forward quite a few years.....I haven't been on a SchH field since a dog I bred was competing last summer and I went to watch. Does that mean I forgot all I learned about dogs and reading dogs and testing dogs? I sure hope not! I'm nobody in the sport world, never was. But look at someone like Steve Lino (my very, very good friend who is dearly missed); he got the same crap about not titling his own dogs and breeding dogs he imported. Look at his history; did he REALLY need to title a dog himself at that point to know what the dog was? I think not. The title-it-yourself-or-you-don't-know-anything theory doesn't hold water for me. So, for me, it's more about the person than the titles. There are people I'd buy a dog from even if the dog didn't have titles in their peds for many generations (like Joanro on this board, or Hans, etc.) because they KNOW dogs. There are people who are on that training field every other day and every weekend that I wouldn't take a free dog from. I know where I am in my abilities to train on a set schedule and I don't feel that it prevents me from knowing a good dog when I see one, and I feel I'd be a hypocrite if I were to not extend the same benefit of the doubt to someone else. She may or may not know her @$$ from a hole in the ground; but you need to ask her to find out. A website doesn't always tell the whole story!
That's why I think it would be worthwhile to ask this Shelley woman your questions and THEN decide if you want to pursue, that is, if you like her dogs. The good thing, at least, with dogs like she has is that they're well-known showlines and you can likely ask a question about health on public forums and get a lot of answers about what they're producing. Feel free to post back if you decide to speak with her.
EDIT- I missed your limited question. No, it has nothing to do with health. It means you can't register puppies from that dog until the limited has been lifted and the dog receives full registration. She said she does offer full, so if you want to breed, I'd pursue that. I like to own my dogs, so I'd want full. I don't see where the price is out of line at all, truthfully. The fancy website folks are selling pups on limited for over $2k, some even higher. I paid $1500 for my pups over 10 years ago. Kraftwerk is up to $4500 for pups now (not that I'd buy from them...but that's not the point!)
Hundmutter, did you think maybe English isn't her first language? I couldn't tell; a few things seemed odd to me, but more like non-native odd than just uneducated odd. There were a few tenses of words that were wrong, too.
I both agree and disagree with what's been said.
You cannot judge a person solely on their website. A website is nothing more than an overview, a quick glance, and there is nothing on this website that is so bad that it would make me NOT ask the owner about it. Some are SO BAD that you just know you want nothing to do with their dogs. This one isn't in that category. Honestly, I'd rather see a website missing stuff, especially when it appears to be a small, family breeder, than a perfect, professional website designed to make the breeder look fantastic, updated every day or nearly every day, because many, many of these great-looking websites are really nothing but a high-priced puppy mill, churning out litter after litter after litter, and while the dogs they started with might be very nice, how the heck does the breeder know when she's got 9 litters on the ground at one time?! She doesn't! These websites are fun to look at, the dogs all look great, they appear to have all their ducks in a row, if you will, but of course they do...because selling puppies is their bread and butter. They HAVE to update that site every day if they want to make a living. I have an easier time excusing a busy mother who may have forgotten to update a page (especially if she does it herself instead of paying a hosting service) amidst the chaos of dogs and kids. If you want a pup that someone has spent some time with and gotten to know a bit, observed its traits and compared it against what you want, you sometimes have to go a different route. That's not to say that many commercial breeders don't do this; I'm only saying that judging website against website isn't the best method.
Now, onto this breeder in particular. I looked at it last night and thought "Meh." Honestly, you could do so much worse. There are a few holes pointed out by other posters, but that brings me back to my first paragraph; if something is missing, ask the breeder. Then check her answers, if possible. I see nothing concerning about A2 hips. That is such an old, pointless debate...I won't even go there. They appear to have imported good quality dogs. The one dam is out of their breeding, and here's where I also have to disagree a bit about titling. We don't know this woman's background. I am not one of those die-hard "you have to title a dog to know it" people. Often, the folks who say this look down on many, many other forms of work the GSD was intended to do. Very often, as I've seen and it totally turned me off, they haven't a clue what their dog is OFF the field because they don't bother with the poor thing unless their training. It's hit or miss; I won't condemn all people who title their dogs because I've known some who treat them wonderfully, but I know just as many, if not more, who I would bite if I were their dog.
But I digress...back to the working your own dogs thing...when I was younger, before I had children and when I had a very free schedule, I spent... every.free.minute...working my dogs. I trained with a Schutzhund club, I trained with French Ring clubs, I trained in personal protection with various people, I trained in small groups with friends, I trained and tracked my dogs with the local K9 departments, and that's all I did. My dogs came to work with me and I had a very free schedule. I traveled 750 miles each way to train with someone I was particularly intrigued with. And it paid off. From there, I learned things most pet owners and even working dog people don't often have the opportunity to see/learn. My dogs benefited greatly. They trained here, there, in the US, out of the US...and it was a big learning experience for both of us. I got made fun of quite a bit, as did my dogs. I was called names at work, we were ribbed at the clubs and of course the cops gave us a good dose of good-natured teasing as well. But I will never look at dogs the same as I would have if I'd stuck with sport field training.
So...fast forward quite a few years.....I haven't been on a SchH field since a dog I bred was competing last summer and I went to watch. Does that mean I forgot all I learned about dogs and reading dogs and testing dogs? I sure hope not! I'm nobody in the sport world, never was. But look at someone like Steve Lino (my very, very good friend who is dearly missed); he got the same crap about not titling his own dogs and breeding dogs he imported. Look at his history; did he REALLY need to title a dog himself at that point to know what the dog was? I think not. The title-it-yourself-or-you-don't-know-anything theory doesn't hold water for me. So, for me, it's more about the person than the titles. There are people I'd buy a dog from even if the dog didn't have titles in their peds for many generations (like Joanro on this board, or Hans, etc.) because they KNOW dogs. There are people who are on that training field every other day and every weekend that I wouldn't take a free dog from. I know where I am in my abilities to train on a set schedule and I don't feel that it prevents me from knowing a good dog when I see one, and I feel I'd be a hypocrite if I were to not extend the same benefit of the doubt to someone else. She may or may not know her @$$ from a hole in the ground; but you need to ask her to find out. A website doesn't always tell the whole story!
That's why I think it would be worthwhile to ask this Shelley woman your questions and THEN decide if you want to pursue, that is, if you like her dogs. The good thing, at least, with dogs like she has is that they're well-known showlines and you can likely ask a question about health on public forums and get a lot of answers about what they're producing. Feel free to post back if you decide to speak with her.
EDIT- I missed your limited question. No, it has nothing to do with health. It means you can't register puppies from that dog until the limited has been lifted and the dog receives full registration. She said she does offer full, so if you want to breed, I'd pursue that. I like to own my dogs, so I'd want full. I don't see where the price is out of line at all, truthfully. The fancy website folks are selling pups on limited for over $2k, some even higher. I paid $1500 for my pups over 10 years ago. Kraftwerk is up to $4500 for pups now (not that I'd buy from them...but that's not the point!)
Hundmutter, did you think maybe English isn't her first language? I couldn't tell; a few things seemed odd to me, but more like non-native odd than just uneducated odd. There were a few tenses of words that were wrong, too.
by alisoni on 20 September 2013 - 13:09
Thank you all so much. I really appreciate your input and understand that with passion comes criticism, skepticism, and also just experience. I do value hearing your perspectives and experiences. It helps me to compile a list of questions for the breeders.
I am also interested in Adelhaus kennels. I have read some complaints in regards to owner giving papers to buyer, but in the owner's defense she had her own side of the story so though I have read pages of this disagreement on forums and I have also seen pages and pages of testimonials for her (and she said her vets are also available for references, that seemed promising), and I have a good feeling about her and her dogs from her email response and her site. Of course that isn't enough information, but a start.
Jenni78, the bit you said about the website does resonate with me too. I have seen a lot of fancy sites, and am contacting one of them too (Von Gunbil), to see if I can meet them and their dogs. I, owning my own small business, know that sometimes my own website can get a bit neglected. But when a business is comprised of just one person, this can happen. I am more interested to know why the ratings of the dogs breeding weren't mentioned on site. I will ask her about that. So far she has been very good about getting back with me. I appreciate this too as a couple breeders haven't returned my phone calls and emails. I am obviously not looking for a desperate breeder who needs to sell, sell, sell, but I also don't want to feel like I need to beg to pay $1,600-$2,000 to give a dog a great home and life.
I am planning to see Littleton Kennels next weekend, trying to see Gunbil as well if I can get ahold of someone, and I am waiting to hear back from Crystal Creek as well. Again, if you have had experience with the above, I would love to hear about that. I will stay in touch and pass along my own experiences as well.
Thanks so much, glad to be a part of this forum! Happy Friday!
I am also interested in Adelhaus kennels. I have read some complaints in regards to owner giving papers to buyer, but in the owner's defense she had her own side of the story so though I have read pages of this disagreement on forums and I have also seen pages and pages of testimonials for her (and she said her vets are also available for references, that seemed promising), and I have a good feeling about her and her dogs from her email response and her site. Of course that isn't enough information, but a start.
Jenni78, the bit you said about the website does resonate with me too. I have seen a lot of fancy sites, and am contacting one of them too (Von Gunbil), to see if I can meet them and their dogs. I, owning my own small business, know that sometimes my own website can get a bit neglected. But when a business is comprised of just one person, this can happen. I am more interested to know why the ratings of the dogs breeding weren't mentioned on site. I will ask her about that. So far she has been very good about getting back with me. I appreciate this too as a couple breeders haven't returned my phone calls and emails. I am obviously not looking for a desperate breeder who needs to sell, sell, sell, but I also don't want to feel like I need to beg to pay $1,600-$2,000 to give a dog a great home and life.
I am planning to see Littleton Kennels next weekend, trying to see Gunbil as well if I can get ahold of someone, and I am waiting to hear back from Crystal Creek as well. Again, if you have had experience with the above, I would love to hear about that. I will stay in touch and pass along my own experiences as well.
Thanks so much, glad to be a part of this forum! Happy Friday!
by DenWolf on 20 September 2013 - 13:09
Hi Alisoni,
There are many nice german shepherd breeders in the state of Colorado..
Also many who have no clues about health testing, temperament, and who have never trained a dog to do much other than stay in the yard.
Keep in mind, many of us here in the state (myself included) have been cleaning up after all of this flooding, and simply have not been around much to do anything other than clean up mud and care for animals..
I recommend that you make yourself a written list of things that are important to what you want in a new companion.. and make notes about each and every pairing that you consider a puppy from.
Similar to purchasing a house, you do not just "buy" the first thing you happen to come across.. look, listen, visit, then do some internet checking.. on your own, or people on here will help you if you ask..will tell you their opinions if you ask..
Research the types of "lines" each litter is from.. meet both parent dogs, if possible.. ask to see the health certifications on each parent.. x-rays, etc..
Also, look at siblings and half-siblings from any previous breeding of each parent.. and check to see how many of THOSE have good health scores...titles...temperaments...
Also consider the source of the parent dogs.. who bred them? Where did they come from? What was the plan when they were purchased from where-ever they came from? How many generations has the breeder kept back themselves?.. What are they doing with those animals? All good things to know when considering health and long life.
A breeder who has (ever in their life) trained and worked their animals in ANY venues (be it showing, IPO, AKC, ring, SAR, tracking, herding, etc) WILL have a better idea of how to select good sound temperament and trainability than one who simply "just wants to breed nice pets".
Beware of those who have never heard of "OFA" or "pennhip" and give you a blank look when you ask.
ALL puppies are cute.. your criteria of health first means that YOU need to REALLY check and double check the bloodlines you plan to purchase from.
For me personally, limited registration is only a tool to be part of the solution and NOT part of the problem.. that would be the problem of enabling those who have money but no real concern for the dogs other than breed them for profit without sense enough to know what they are doing.
Feel free to contact me anytime, be it to visit and see dogs/puppies, or to show me any pedigree you might have question about, or for some information on some of the "breeders" in our beautiful, but badly flooded state..
If I can't help you with what you are seeking, I can point you towards some that can.
Sincerely,
Denese
DenWolf German Shepherds
There are many nice german shepherd breeders in the state of Colorado..
Also many who have no clues about health testing, temperament, and who have never trained a dog to do much other than stay in the yard.
Keep in mind, many of us here in the state (myself included) have been cleaning up after all of this flooding, and simply have not been around much to do anything other than clean up mud and care for animals..
I recommend that you make yourself a written list of things that are important to what you want in a new companion.. and make notes about each and every pairing that you consider a puppy from.
Similar to purchasing a house, you do not just "buy" the first thing you happen to come across.. look, listen, visit, then do some internet checking.. on your own, or people on here will help you if you ask..will tell you their opinions if you ask..
Research the types of "lines" each litter is from.. meet both parent dogs, if possible.. ask to see the health certifications on each parent.. x-rays, etc..
Also, look at siblings and half-siblings from any previous breeding of each parent.. and check to see how many of THOSE have good health scores...titles...temperaments...
Also consider the source of the parent dogs.. who bred them? Where did they come from? What was the plan when they were purchased from where-ever they came from? How many generations has the breeder kept back themselves?.. What are they doing with those animals? All good things to know when considering health and long life.
A breeder who has (ever in their life) trained and worked their animals in ANY venues (be it showing, IPO, AKC, ring, SAR, tracking, herding, etc) WILL have a better idea of how to select good sound temperament and trainability than one who simply "just wants to breed nice pets".
Beware of those who have never heard of "OFA" or "pennhip" and give you a blank look when you ask.
ALL puppies are cute.. your criteria of health first means that YOU need to REALLY check and double check the bloodlines you plan to purchase from.
For me personally, limited registration is only a tool to be part of the solution and NOT part of the problem.. that would be the problem of enabling those who have money but no real concern for the dogs other than breed them for profit without sense enough to know what they are doing.
Feel free to contact me anytime, be it to visit and see dogs/puppies, or to show me any pedigree you might have question about, or for some information on some of the "breeders" in our beautiful, but badly flooded state..
If I can't help you with what you are seeking, I can point you towards some that can.
Sincerely,
Denese
DenWolf German Shepherds
by Blitzen on 20 September 2013 - 14:09
I really like your style, DenWolf.
by alisoni on 20 September 2013 - 14:09
Denise, thank you so much for the great response. I would like to talk with you more sometime soon. I will be in touch. I hope that your dogs and kennels are OK after floods!
by Hundmutter on 20 September 2013 - 14:09
Jenni, no I thought her English was okay, I would have allowed for that;
the rest of the site seemed alright from that p.o.v. The sentence (not that
it is one, LOL) about training was so brief and so garbled it jumped
out at me. Just got the impression that anybody who was interested
in keeping GSDs properly occupied, with or without titles ; ), would
have subbed that bit properly. Also probably expanded on it somewhat.
When you were doing all those activities when you were younger, did
you have time for also breeding and rearing six litters per year ?
As to the rest of first impressions about breeders:
My expectations - of UK breeders - may be slightly different, maybe ?
For instance I tend to be more supportive of the health angle theoretically
with AKC limited registration, its equivalent in England is to place 'endorsements'
on the puppy, to try to stop it being bred when old enough without the
necessary hip & elbow & blood clearances, or to stop buyers taking
or selling the dog abroad to avoid doing those checks. When all these
are satisfied the owner tells the breeder, and the breeder will tell our KC
to lift them and then the pup can be bred and its offspring registered and
shown here or overseas. It isn't 100 % foolproof but it helps.
the rest of the site seemed alright from that p.o.v. The sentence (not that
it is one, LOL) about training was so brief and so garbled it jumped
out at me. Just got the impression that anybody who was interested
in keeping GSDs properly occupied, with or without titles ; ), would
have subbed that bit properly. Also probably expanded on it somewhat.
When you were doing all those activities when you were younger, did
you have time for also breeding and rearing six litters per year ?
As to the rest of first impressions about breeders:
My expectations - of UK breeders - may be slightly different, maybe ?
For instance I tend to be more supportive of the health angle theoretically
with AKC limited registration, its equivalent in England is to place 'endorsements'
on the puppy, to try to stop it being bred when old enough without the
necessary hip & elbow & blood clearances, or to stop buyers taking
or selling the dog abroad to avoid doing those checks. When all these
are satisfied the owner tells the breeder, and the breeder will tell our KC
to lift them and then the pup can be bred and its offspring registered and
shown here or overseas. It isn't 100 % foolproof but it helps.
by Jenni78 on 20 September 2013 - 14:09
Hundmutter...short answer....no.
Long answer: I didn't ever breed a litter until a little over 4 years ago, when I was actually pregnant with my own (just one, thank God not a whole litter!) and home all day. I stayed home with my son after that, and that's when I did my breeding. I really don't see how anyone with a family can breed that many litters and do anything with them. I don't like to breed unless I'm going to be home to observe and get those pups out and about and learn who's who in the litter. Also, talking to people is TIME-CONSUMING if you're being thorough. I love to observe for hours without interfering. I do understand how a breeder can end up with many litters at once because of females going into heat all at the same time, but I cannot condone a multitude of litters per year UNLESS a kennel has good help and designated people to do nothing but interact with pups or the breeder does not work outside the home whatsoever. If all you do is deal with puppies, yes, I think you could manage 6 litters per year, but with 5 children as stated on the website in question, I'd think help would be in order to really gauge temperament on those pups as individuals. Granted, kids are a huge asset to a breeding program as far as socialization. I never would've been able to do what I do with pups if I was on the road, here and there all the time like I was back then. I thought I knew a lot then, but now that I've mellowed and am just an old stay at home mom, lol, I honestly feel I'm better equipped to rear pups than when I was spending every waking moment with dogs alone, though no doubt, that was a very necessary part of the process. I cannot stomach breeders who decide to breed pets with zero knowledge of temperament or what makes a quality dog a quality dog. My favorite of that ilk have paypal buttons on their website and don't require a phone call to use them.
Long answer: I didn't ever breed a litter until a little over 4 years ago, when I was actually pregnant with my own (just one, thank God not a whole litter!) and home all day. I stayed home with my son after that, and that's when I did my breeding. I really don't see how anyone with a family can breed that many litters and do anything with them. I don't like to breed unless I'm going to be home to observe and get those pups out and about and learn who's who in the litter. Also, talking to people is TIME-CONSUMING if you're being thorough. I love to observe for hours without interfering. I do understand how a breeder can end up with many litters at once because of females going into heat all at the same time, but I cannot condone a multitude of litters per year UNLESS a kennel has good help and designated people to do nothing but interact with pups or the breeder does not work outside the home whatsoever. If all you do is deal with puppies, yes, I think you could manage 6 litters per year, but with 5 children as stated on the website in question, I'd think help would be in order to really gauge temperament on those pups as individuals. Granted, kids are a huge asset to a breeding program as far as socialization. I never would've been able to do what I do with pups if I was on the road, here and there all the time like I was back then. I thought I knew a lot then, but now that I've mellowed and am just an old stay at home mom, lol, I honestly feel I'm better equipped to rear pups than when I was spending every waking moment with dogs alone, though no doubt, that was a very necessary part of the process. I cannot stomach breeders who decide to breed pets with zero knowledge of temperament or what makes a quality dog a quality dog. My favorite of that ilk have paypal buttons on their website and don't require a phone call to use them.
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