Facts of Evolution. ( Title edit by Admin) - Page 2

Carlin,

I remember you said that you are not creationist? what are you? theistic evolutionist?
Bible says that God created everything in six days; not some sort of evolutionary process... No professor of Hebrew will tell you that the days in Genesis means anything other than 24 hour days, they might not believe that but they know that is what the book teaches, the book clearly teaches the days of Genesis are normal days, they always say does the word “yom” mean you know, day - could be long - like day of the Lord. There is one reference out of 1800 hundred times "yom” used, always means a day. There are 3 meaning of the word day, 24 hours day; Jesus said are their 12 hours in a day - that is the day light portion of the day. And then it says in the day of the Lord, now is that talking about long period of time or is that also just one day, I don’t know - I think that is just one day also. But certainly when it says evening and morning - the first day, the second day, there is no reason to say these days other than 24 hour days just like we have today. No verses in the Bible where the word “yom” is used indicate other than 24 hour day. And if you give this book (Bible) let say 1000 people who never heard or read this book; all of them will come back and say God created everything in six days.

Yes, I don't see how an organism could evolve peace by peace.. Maybe piece by piece, but definitely not peace by peace...

now shtal don't go editing yr post when someone points out yr low level of literacy and yr feeble mental capacity like you always do.

"And if you give this book (Bible) let say 1000 people who never heard or read this book; all of them will come back and say God created everything in six days."

LOL, i guess not;


The Jehovah’s Witnesses argument that each of the six days encompasses thousands of years:
    “... some may say even the idea of this planet passing from a ‘formless and waste’ condition to its present form with continents, forests, plants, animals, and men, all in just six 24-hour days--this still is incredible!  But where does the Genesis account say that the 6 days were 24-hours each?  Though some religious groups teach this, the Genesis account does not say it.  You yourself use the expression ‘day’ in a broad sense of your ‘grandfather’s day.’  Likewise the Bible often used the word ‘day’ in a broad sense-Genesis 2:4.  Keep in mind that the works spoken of in the first chapter of Genesis are those of God, not of man... Are God’s ‘days’ of work controlled by the rotation of this globe?  Obviously not.  Of God, the Bible says: ’One day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day’(2 Peter 3:8). And that even to God a ‘day’ can have more than one meaning is seen when comparing this text with Psalm 90:4 which says: ‘A thousand years are in your eyes but. . .as a watch during the night.’ So it is plain that the word ‘day’ can be used to refer to a 24-hour day, a person’s lifetime, 1,000 years or even longer” (Is the Bible Really the Word of God, p.18-19).
    You free thinkers reading this are surely nodding your head knowing the fault in this circular reasoning.  You Christians reading this are probably still clinging to the mantra like a pedophile to a 6 year old boy.  Well, no matter how hard you try to hold on Jesus pimps, I’m going to blow a hole through your lie and spread it’s short comings to everyone I meet.  We all know I find it my self appointed duty to expose the Christian/Jewish scriptures.  Which is precisely what I’ll do right now:
    FACT: the world is at least 4.6 billion years old.  The bible claims to be approximately 6,500.  Christians try to argue this by saying the usage of the word “day” in genesis is actually a term for thousands of years in time.  This rationalization, they believe can help evolution be accepted into the bible. In other words Christians are trying to say that the word “day” is not meant to be as a 24 hour period.  This idea is COMPLETELY FALSE AND NOT PLAUSIBLE.  All it takes is a little research into the meaning of the Hebrew word for day and the usage of it in consistency.  Of course, it should be common knowledge that the first five books of the Old Testament were written in Hebrew.  The Hebrew word for day used in the genesis is account is “yom”, which is a definite 24-hour period.  Christians attempt to say that because there was no sun until the fourth day, that the word yom is null and void.  This cant be, for the lord claimed there was light, a morning and an evening PRIOR to the sun being created, hence the sun was not even needed.  (Also note another contradiction here, that Christians/Jews refuse to notice. They’ll claim the word yom is void because there is no sun, yet that would mean that there couldn’t have been light or a way to decipher between morning and evening. Obviously this is a MAJOR scientific blunder on Jehovah’s behalf.)  Now this fact alone pretty much blows the shit out of the bible, but let’s pretend to accept the word yom is really meant for eons of time, how then can we reconcile the following?:
1) If a day is an era, why are an evening and a morning even mentioned?  Actual days must be intended, otherwise, men who lived hundreds of years, e.g., Seth and Noah, would really have lived millions of years.  If a day is an era, then a year must be tremendously long, perhaps encompassing hundreds of millions of years;
2) If a day is an era, then much of the Old Testament becomes chaotic.  For example, in each of the following verses the same Hebrew word “yom” is employed: “And the flood was forty days upon the earth” (Genesis 7: 1 7), “And he [Moses] was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights” (Exodus 34:28), and “Thus I fell down before the Lord forty days and forty nights...” (Deuteronomy 9:25). If “yom” means era instead of a 24-hour period, Moses was “there with the Lord” for a VERY long time.
3) If a day means more than 24-hour period, then how are we to interpret the following verses, as well as scores of others.  “Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath. . . . in it thou shalt not work... For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth… and rested the seventh day” (Exodus 20:9-11).
4) Genesis 1:16 (“And God made two great lights: The greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night”) states the sun rules the day and the moon rules the night.  This obviously is referring to time as we know it, time with days that are 24 hours long with daylight ruling half of each.
5) Adam was made on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26-31) which was supposedly thousand of years long.  This was followed by the 7th day which was also thousands of years long. Following the 7th day, Adam fell into sin and was expelled from the Garden.  This would mean Adam lived thousands of years, which is false, since he died at age 930 (Genesis 5:5).
6) Genesis 1:5 surely spoke of literal day and literal night, and the inference from the statement, “And the evening and the morning were the first day,” is that it was a literal day of evening and morning, 24-hours.  There is no Biblical evidence that the days of this chapter were longer periods.
7) If we do try to buy into what the Jehovah’s quote as “a day can be a thousand years” even this isn’t sufficient enough time.  For the earth is at least 4.6 billion.  The biblical passages concerning time should’ve read that days can be like MILLIONS of years.  Obviously, their claim falls apart under mathematic speculation.
For those of you Christians who are STILL clinging to the idea that evolution can be reconciled with the bible, take a little advice from one of your own brethren on the matter. The following is a CHRISTIAN AUTHOR who admits that the word yom does mean a 24 hour period in the creation account:
"The Hebrew word for ‘day’ is ‘yom’ and this word can occasionally be used to mean an indefinite period of time, if the content warrants.  In the overwhelming preponderance of its occurrences in the O.T., however, it means a literal day…  Still further, the plural form of the word (Hebrew 'yamim') is used over 700 times in the O.T. and always, without exception, refers to literal ‘days.’"  (The Bible Has the Answers, Henry Morris, p. 94).
Obviously even Creationist Morris admits the idea that each day represented an era is ridiculous. Not only is the day-age theory unacceptable scripturally, but it also is grossly in conflict with the geological position with which it attempts to compromise.  My suggestion?  Make a valid justification as to how the creation account can be plausible, until then don’t pimp feeble lies to cover up for your even more errant book.
 






 

I felt it is necessary to address this: The day have to be six normal days, because there are so many other references in scripture, for instances exodus 20:11, God said I want you to rest on the Sabbath because I made everything in six days, he wasn’t telling them to work six millions of years and finally take a break, plus if you read the first chapter God made the plants, the grass and trees on day three and he made the sun on day four and the Bible says clearly he created the sun, he didn’t made the light visible: And six days creation? How long would plants live without sun? Plus insects were made on day five and they pollinate the plants, plus animals breathe in oxygen breathe out (off) carbon dioxide, plants do the opposite. The idea this days being long period of time is just ridicules. Let me reword this differently; if you gave this book to thousand people and say read this and tell me what it says, all thousand would come back and say this is saying he made everything in six days, when you have to have a guru to tell you what it says you now have a cult. I don’t think God writes a book that we have to know Hebrew, the God I worship is able to write a book and preserve it and give us in a form that I can read and understand and I am telling you if you went to missionary field that there were no Christians or no concept of Christianity and just gave this book to them and said what does it say? All of them would come back and say six days just like we have today.

Ruger - I was thinking that same thing myself!

Shtal - for me, the -ist in "creationist" and "evolutionist" is what gives me pause, as it implies an absolute.  From the theological standpoint, we assert truth based on interpretation, a fallible discipline.  From a scientific standpoint, we work from an incomplete theory, where arrogance often, though not always, finds people stuck inside what is perhaps an infinitesimally small box which is constantly being redefined.  To me, what that means is that science is reliable in a micro sense, but utterly unreliable in the macro sense, depending upon the scope and breadth of the conversation.  In either case, emotional and intellectual maturity may be regarded as the extent to which one understands not how much we know, but more importantly, how much we do not.  I've said before in so many words, that my faith is not one which is dependent upon any scientific journal.  What I say I believe in claims to be "above" what is observable to us.  The more I learn, the more I come to understand how much I have to learn, and I hope that never changes.  Whether in scientific or faith circles, a certain humility may be the evidence of that emotional and intellectual growth, whether it's due to an appreciation of our cosmic insignificance, or due to awe before God.  Particularly, I am not so arrogant or foolish to believe that we are any more on the cusp of defining the universe now than when were in the days of Newton or Copernicus, and why should I be?  In kind, I am not so arrogant or foolish to rely on any one particular set of hermeneutical principles to limit God in the way in he chose to form man.  I've said before, that if that means my ancestor was an ape, I'm fine with that.  One litmus test of true faith me be its immovable resolve, even when, especially when we don't have all the answers.

Exodus 20:!!    Shtal, don't you know that was about the 
first GAP YEAR ?

Why was the title changed ?

I find this title and the editing itself both to be offensive.

More offensive than anything posted by anyone here.






 

Moons, I couldn't say any better, if this thread is about me, then let it be that way.