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by GSDPACK on 14 July 2009 - 21:07
Silbersee
I would love to read that.
It still looks a bit too much for castration. 6 mos old dog is not developed but being afraid of noises!? Those seem to be environmental issues more than enything. Pups go through fear stage.. mine is in one right know, she hears something and she'll hide behind it. The study shows that hormone level needs to be there to overcome this properly?
Anyway as I wrote before. I would like to read it.
Another thing. a lot of pet dogs get fixed even earlier and they are just fine.. how is that?!
I am just wondering.
Thanks
I would love to read that.
It still looks a bit too much for castration. 6 mos old dog is not developed but being afraid of noises!? Those seem to be environmental issues more than enything. Pups go through fear stage.. mine is in one right know, she hears something and she'll hide behind it. The study shows that hormone level needs to be there to overcome this properly?
Anyway as I wrote before. I would like to read it.
Another thing. a lot of pet dogs get fixed even earlier and they are just fine.. how is that?!
I am just wondering.
Thanks
by starrchar on 14 July 2009 - 23:07
Shepherdpal,
I was looking into purchasing a 10 month old male dog with undescended testicles, so I did quite a bit of research. Of course opinions vary somewhat, but here is what I found out:
Basically the dog should be neutered around 18 months of age. I spoke to my vet about the actual surgery and he said the surgery typically is quite simple, although sometimes the testicle(s) is up very high and that can make it more difficult. At worst, it is no more involved than a spay surgery. If you start to notice negative behavioral changes in the dog, you should have it examined by a vet because on occasion, although rare, the undescended testicle can start to cause the dog pain.
Cryptorcidism is genetic, so it is recomended that dogs who produce pups with cryptorcidism should no longer be bred.
I didn't get the pup with the undescended testicles because of personal health issues in my family that got a lot worse shortly after I started looking into purchasing him.
I hope this helps.
The best,
Char
I was looking into purchasing a 10 month old male dog with undescended testicles, so I did quite a bit of research. Of course opinions vary somewhat, but here is what I found out:
Basically the dog should be neutered around 18 months of age. I spoke to my vet about the actual surgery and he said the surgery typically is quite simple, although sometimes the testicle(s) is up very high and that can make it more difficult. At worst, it is no more involved than a spay surgery. If you start to notice negative behavioral changes in the dog, you should have it examined by a vet because on occasion, although rare, the undescended testicle can start to cause the dog pain.
Cryptorcidism is genetic, so it is recomended that dogs who produce pups with cryptorcidism should no longer be bred.
I didn't get the pup with the undescended testicles because of personal health issues in my family that got a lot worse shortly after I started looking into purchasing him.
I hope this helps.
The best,
Char
by Silbersee on 14 July 2009 - 23:07
GSDPack,
admittedly, I overread the mention of the 6 month old and up with noise issues. Of course, that is genetics and environmental and has nothing to do with neutering at an early age. I went through the health archives of our GSDWorld board and reread some old threads regarding this issue. It was mentioned that a study on military dogs was conducted and found that the only thing that is influenced with early neutering and spaying is anything related to the sex drive. It does not interfere with working abilities. But I bet (and this is my private opinion) that some dominance issues can be avoided - due to eliminating the sex drive.
Anyway, here are a couple of useful links to read through, as promised:
www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
and more thouroughly because each reference in blue is a hyperlink to the vet research (this is what I was looking for):
www.thensome.com/neutering.htm
Happy reading if you do not get too tired and bored, lol.
P.S. A breeder on our forum mentioned that she has it in her contract that no male is to be neutered before 18 to 24 months of age, which in my opinion is far-fetched and might set the breeder up for a liablity suit (dog got loose and produced unwanted litters etc.). The only thing a breeder can do is to appeal to the owner's common sense by sending information like the ones contained in the links. The bad thing is that a lot of vets will not tell their clients all this. Remember that their major source of income is from people desexing and vaccinating their pets. Last December, I retired one of my females at age 7 to my friend's house who is a single divorced mother and wanted a house companion for her and her 10 year old son. My poor friend ended up paying 1200 US-Dollars for Vila's spay surgery, just because the vet saw her coming. They talked her into bringing her in a night before, so they can monitor her food and water intake after midnight and had her spent the night afterwards as well.
Chris
admittedly, I overread the mention of the 6 month old and up with noise issues. Of course, that is genetics and environmental and has nothing to do with neutering at an early age. I went through the health archives of our GSDWorld board and reread some old threads regarding this issue. It was mentioned that a study on military dogs was conducted and found that the only thing that is influenced with early neutering and spaying is anything related to the sex drive. It does not interfere with working abilities. But I bet (and this is my private opinion) that some dominance issues can be avoided - due to eliminating the sex drive.
Anyway, here are a couple of useful links to read through, as promised:
www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
and more thouroughly because each reference in blue is a hyperlink to the vet research (this is what I was looking for):
www.thensome.com/neutering.htm
Happy reading if you do not get too tired and bored, lol.
P.S. A breeder on our forum mentioned that she has it in her contract that no male is to be neutered before 18 to 24 months of age, which in my opinion is far-fetched and might set the breeder up for a liablity suit (dog got loose and produced unwanted litters etc.). The only thing a breeder can do is to appeal to the owner's common sense by sending information like the ones contained in the links. The bad thing is that a lot of vets will not tell their clients all this. Remember that their major source of income is from people desexing and vaccinating their pets. Last December, I retired one of my females at age 7 to my friend's house who is a single divorced mother and wanted a house companion for her and her 10 year old son. My poor friend ended up paying 1200 US-Dollars for Vila's spay surgery, just because the vet saw her coming. They talked her into bringing her in a night before, so they can monitor her food and water intake after midnight and had her spent the night afterwards as well.
Chris
by shepherdpal on 15 July 2009 - 00:07
Thanks everyone for the repsonses and the links. Benny went to the vet today for shots at 13 weeks and the bey could only feel one testicle. I think, based on what 1 have read here I will wait until he is about 1 year to neuter him. an extra 6 months can;lt hurt and may help his development. In the packet of info the breeder ( http://www.hinterlandgsd.com) sent home she said that she does not normally recommend neutering even males who are not to be bred. ( but she does agree this should be done in cryptorchid to prevent cancer.
The vet said Benny is doing great, He is up to 30 pounds but thin. His temperament is great and he know " sit, down, stay. fetch and shake. Now if I could get him over the ankle biting!
The vet said Benny is doing great, He is up to 30 pounds but thin. His temperament is great and he know " sit, down, stay. fetch and shake. Now if I could get him over the ankle biting!
by GSDPACK on 16 July 2009 - 08:07
Thank you for the links..
always something new to learn.
MCW
always something new to learn.
MCW
by GregN on 17 July 2009 - 03:07
coming from a vet reproductive specialist, he advised to wait 'til he is 2 before surgically removing the undecended testicle. Sometimes they are born without the testicle or they can't be found by palpatating so an ultrasound might be a good idea before submitting the dog to exploratory surgery in order to find the undecended testicle. I'm about to go through it myself.
by ramagsd on 20 July 2009 - 01:07
Friend of mine had cryptorchid pup. They waited unto he was about 18 months. Vet removed the undescended testicle, then did a vasectomy on the other--best solution for them!
by Ryanhaus on 24 July 2009 - 14:07
It is a fault that is passed on from the dam's side......
by Setanta on 21 November 2009 - 23:11
It's a pity Haughmill's replies can't be taken seriously. omeine reading this replies feels like thre is some sort of bullying going on. It is difficult to know how much of the bad feelng is affected by the stuff on forums and what else may be going on. I suspect they have a lot of expertise, but do themselves (and the breed) a great disservice with their selling techniques. It's like the boy that cried wolf, you just stop listening after a while. I sincerely hope, kindly assuming they are reputable, that they address their dificulties asap.
by VomMarischal on 22 November 2009 - 03:11
Please don't neuter your dog before 17-18 months of age (assuming that you can keep him out of breeding situations). It damages development of growth plates (in the bones). Dog that are neutered too young end up tall and stringy rather than bulky. So IF you think you are responsible enough to avoid unwanted puppies, you should wait.
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