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by Hundmutter on 05 September 2013 - 18:09
by Blitzen on 05 September 2013 - 19:09
Is this dog registered? If so, with which registry and as which breed?
by Jenni78 on 05 September 2013 - 20:09
If that dog's a Staffy Bull, then I'm a gremlin. Looks like a BYB AmStaff. AmStaffs must have black noses. The build is not correct for either a proper APBT or a Staffy Bull. Here's an example of 2 Staffordshire Bull Terriers. http://www.freewebs.com/jewelstaff/judging.htm I looked for one when I was buying my bf's APBT but they're hard to find so I ended up giving up and just getting another APBT.
These days anything that isn't a Lab, Golden, or GSD is a "Pit Bull." You really can't pay any attention to what people say. People asked if my APBT was a Weimaraner when he was little, just because he had blue eyes and floppy ears...
These days anything that isn't a Lab, Golden, or GSD is a "Pit Bull." You really can't pay any attention to what people say. People asked if my APBT was a Weimaraner when he was little, just because he had blue eyes and floppy ears...
by CMills on 05 September 2013 - 22:09
@jennie78- Amstaffs do NOT have to have a black nose, I used to have a blue/white male from a solid AKC champ pedigree, he had blue nose/pigment. so it depends on the dogs color as to what color nose it has.
by hexe on 05 September 2013 - 23:09
Presuming that this dog IS in the UK, since the 'pit bull' and mixes thereof have long since been banned there, and if I recall correctly, any that were already present were not permitted to be left intact, I must wonder aloud as to how, if this is a 'pit bull' or pit mix, this 10 month old dog could possibly even have been born? 
Obviously the dog didn't come from any standard-following Staffordshire Bull Terrier breeder, else this discussion would not be taking place. We don't even know if the OP got the dog directly from whoever bred the litter she's from, or if she came from a third party...but have we not seen poor quality [in relation to the breed standard] GSDs that look like Shepherd mixes but which had AKC registration papers as GSDs? I concur that I wasn't recalling the phenotype of the Staffie mentally, but rather the AmStaff, when I answered the OP, but that's not to say that oversized, finer-boned, red-nosed, tan-coated, light-eyed examples of Staffies aren't out there, either.
If the OP doesn't live in a place where being a 'pit bull' is a death sentence, and if she's a good dog, my advice would be to spay her once she's matured, enjoy and love her, and chalk up the question of whether or not she's a purebred Staffordshire, and whether or not your money was taken by deception, to a bad experience with a person of poor character and move on with life.
Obviously the dog didn't come from any standard-following Staffordshire Bull Terrier breeder, else this discussion would not be taking place. We don't even know if the OP got the dog directly from whoever bred the litter she's from, or if she came from a third party...but have we not seen poor quality [in relation to the breed standard] GSDs that look like Shepherd mixes but which had AKC registration papers as GSDs? I concur that I wasn't recalling the phenotype of the Staffie mentally, but rather the AmStaff, when I answered the OP, but that's not to say that oversized, finer-boned, red-nosed, tan-coated, light-eyed examples of Staffies aren't out there, either.
If the OP doesn't live in a place where being a 'pit bull' is a death sentence, and if she's a good dog, my advice would be to spay her once she's matured, enjoy and love her, and chalk up the question of whether or not she's a purebred Staffordshire, and whether or not your money was taken by deception, to a bad experience with a person of poor character and move on with life.
by Dawulf on 06 September 2013 - 01:09
Looks like an AmStaff to me. Don't expect the random public to know what breed of dog you have unless it's a Labrador or a poodle, LOL.
by Hundmutter on 06 September 2013 - 02:09
CMills, not only does the AmStaff Standard reproduced above
call for a black nose, it says "Nose DEFINITELY Black" - so
I suspect your Blue dog's nose not being black but being
acceptable was either down to a case of 'breeders myth', or of that
sort of show judging we all rail against as being not true to the
Standard - and thus responsible for all sorts of ills. :)
To Hexe, that WAS the intention of the DDA, yes. But like all bad
knee-jerk legislation, it was full of holes, and it's just NO GOOD
passing Laws that cannot be policed properly !
For one thing, dunno what it's like in those States that ban them, but
over here no one really can define what is, and what is not, a Pit Bull
Terrier. On the one hand you have ppl who say the APBT is simply an
AmStaff from the wrong side of the tracks, and raised to fight. There
are [were?] Pit Bull enthusiasts who adhere to the [UKC ?] Standard as
a breed in its own right, but no one in authority listened to them as they were all
[fairly or not] seen to be associated with fighting. Our Kennel Club said
there is no recognised Standard; if the AmStaff one is relevant it didn't count
because that was a foreign Standard and they were still on the Import Register
anyway.
Police and a specialist RSPCA Inspector or three have a description they built
up, that lists several 'points' they look for (eg musculature) that define a Pit
for seizure purposes. And then went out and arrested Boxer-mixes and gawd
knows what else that didn't actually meet that list of points anyway. There is
a suspicion that they often went for soft targets, like little old ladies and unsuspecting
ordinary families, rather than those guys known to be breeding for fighting, because
tackling them was more difficult; ppl who 'knew what they were about' very quickly and
ostentatiously complied with all the neutering, tattooing and registration requirements,
so they didn't have to be tackled. If they hid a few dogs still entire and off the books,
who knew ? The Police did some spectacularly good work in the field too, I won't deny
that ...some Officers were really clued up and committed, but sadly too few.
So we fast forward to the current day, and a lot of under the counter breeding carried on,
and now lots of ppl scattered throughout the gen. public have Pits or more often part-Pits,
they are being interbred willy-nilly with Staffs and other breeds. Many of these are owned
by yobs who hang around the streets and parks, 'chain fighting' the dogs and generally
behaving in a threatening and anti-social manner with them. For my money, we would not
have got to this point if the DDA had never happened.
call for a black nose, it says "Nose DEFINITELY Black" - so
I suspect your Blue dog's nose not being black but being
acceptable was either down to a case of 'breeders myth', or of that
sort of show judging we all rail against as being not true to the
Standard - and thus responsible for all sorts of ills. :)
To Hexe, that WAS the intention of the DDA, yes. But like all bad
knee-jerk legislation, it was full of holes, and it's just NO GOOD
passing Laws that cannot be policed properly !
For one thing, dunno what it's like in those States that ban them, but
over here no one really can define what is, and what is not, a Pit Bull
Terrier. On the one hand you have ppl who say the APBT is simply an
AmStaff from the wrong side of the tracks, and raised to fight. There
are [were?] Pit Bull enthusiasts who adhere to the [UKC ?] Standard as
a breed in its own right, but no one in authority listened to them as they were all
[fairly or not] seen to be associated with fighting. Our Kennel Club said
there is no recognised Standard; if the AmStaff one is relevant it didn't count
because that was a foreign Standard and they were still on the Import Register
anyway.
Police and a specialist RSPCA Inspector or three have a description they built
up, that lists several 'points' they look for (eg musculature) that define a Pit
for seizure purposes. And then went out and arrested Boxer-mixes and gawd
knows what else that didn't actually meet that list of points anyway. There is
a suspicion that they often went for soft targets, like little old ladies and unsuspecting
ordinary families, rather than those guys known to be breeding for fighting, because
tackling them was more difficult; ppl who 'knew what they were about' very quickly and
ostentatiously complied with all the neutering, tattooing and registration requirements,
so they didn't have to be tackled. If they hid a few dogs still entire and off the books,
who knew ? The Police did some spectacularly good work in the field too, I won't deny
that ...some Officers were really clued up and committed, but sadly too few.
So we fast forward to the current day, and a lot of under the counter breeding carried on,
and now lots of ppl scattered throughout the gen. public have Pits or more often part-Pits,
they are being interbred willy-nilly with Staffs and other breeds. Many of these are owned
by yobs who hang around the streets and parks, 'chain fighting' the dogs and generally
behaving in a threatening and anti-social manner with them. For my money, we would not
have got to this point if the DDA had never happened.
by LadyFrost on 06 September 2013 - 09:09
Paul...hope you didnt pay much....but dont feel bad, we all at one point or another get screwed, just scroll through pages of this forum...
by Blitzen on 06 September 2013 - 10:09
You hope he didn't pay much?
by LadyFrost on 06 September 2013 - 10:09
he stated he bought this dog...so since this is obviously not what he was promised/wanted and since he had this dog for 9 months now i am sure he is attached and not looking to return her to her breeder..i hope he didn't pay much... if he paid 2,000 pounds he really got screwed, if he paid 200 pounds not so much...
not sure which part is confusing....
not sure which part is confusing....
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