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by YogieBear on 13 August 2013 - 19:08
Wow! THERE IS A LOT OF WORDS IN THIS POST...................NON OF IT MAKES SENSE TO ME..........
IS THIS FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY THAN USA THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT? I MIGHT BE BLOND - BUT I AM NOT FOLLOWING....................HELP
YOGIE
IS THIS FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY THAN USA THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT? I MIGHT BE BLOND - BUT I AM NOT FOLLOWING....................HELP
YOGIE
by nicoceana on 14 August 2013 - 03:08
YogieBear.... this is all happening in the UK... someone is 'using' samjarram's name in vain...... I understand the 'actual' samjarram is not even on this site! It will ALL come out in the wash so to speak...LOL as 'Posters' ID can be traced.. Take it you are from over the pond...
by Hundmutter on 14 August 2013 - 03:08
kayew2, thanks for that warning - trust the admins will
pick up on that ( I've reported it) ; but as for the 'real'
samjarram "we all know and love" - who s/he ?
This poster only joined yesterday [unless that username
is someone's from way back before the last Board changes
who has been inactive. Don't recall the handle !]
pick up on that ( I've reported it) ; but as for the 'real'
samjarram "we all know and love" - who s/he ?
This poster only joined yesterday [unless that username
is someone's from way back before the last Board changes
who has been inactive. Don't recall the handle !]
by kayew2 on 14 August 2013 - 03:08
Hello.
She's my mother, that's how I know its not her. We we're on the committee of the national club but left due to a difference in breeding policies.
Before, we left we raised a considerable amount of money in sponsorship for their recent show, and found people willing to donate some fantastic and expensive raffle prizes. I personally donated £120 in prize money but as yet the committee have not even had the decency to even let me know if we raised sufficient funds for the named charity.
So it comes as no surprise to me that these people find it funny to use my mums name to defend their actions when in truth she despises what they stand for.
She's my mother, that's how I know its not her. We we're on the committee of the national club but left due to a difference in breeding policies.
Before, we left we raised a considerable amount of money in sponsorship for their recent show, and found people willing to donate some fantastic and expensive raffle prizes. I personally donated £120 in prize money but as yet the committee have not even had the decency to even let me know if we raised sufficient funds for the named charity.
So it comes as no surprise to me that these people find it funny to use my mums name to defend their actions when in truth she despises what they stand for.
by Hundmutter on 14 August 2013 - 05:08
Ah ! Thanks.
So we on PDB really are in the middle of a 'war' between two opposing
sets of people here ? I.E. those members of the National Club
who left it; and those who remain in it ?
Does that mean, kayew2, that you and your mother are in
agreement with the OP 'wusvnfac' ?
Why on earth are you lot (both, apparently) using the PDB
to discuss your 'split' by reporting stuff about each other ?
This is a fairly serious resource for those of us who want
to use it without subterfuge. But we cannot do much about
your differences. Waste of everyone's time, imho.
None of which negates my saying what I have about ANYBODY
breeding with dogs they know to have really high hip scores !
But I can, and have, said that on other, more honest, threds.
I'm oughtta here, wash my hands of the lot of you.
Linda Swift.
So we on PDB really are in the middle of a 'war' between two opposing
sets of people here ? I.E. those members of the National Club
who left it; and those who remain in it ?
Does that mean, kayew2, that you and your mother are in
agreement with the OP 'wusvnfac' ?
Why on earth are you lot (both, apparently) using the PDB
to discuss your 'split' by reporting stuff about each other ?
This is a fairly serious resource for those of us who want
to use it without subterfuge. But we cannot do much about
your differences. Waste of everyone's time, imho.
None of which negates my saying what I have about ANYBODY
breeding with dogs they know to have really high hip scores !
But I can, and have, said that on other, more honest, threds.
I'm oughtta here, wash my hands of the lot of you.
Linda Swift.
by kayew2 on 14 August 2013 - 08:08
Hi Linda.
I'm not agreeing with anyone. I don't know who the original poster is or the one acting as Sam Jarram.
I just wanted to make it clear that Sam doesn't have an account.
What the club or its members do is no longer a concern of mine.
Kind regards
Kaye
I'm not agreeing with anyone. I don't know who the original poster is or the one acting as Sam Jarram.
I just wanted to make it clear that Sam doesn't have an account.
What the club or its members do is no longer a concern of mine.
Kind regards
Kaye
by samjarram on 14 August 2013 - 13:08
Yes, Hundmutter, you are right on the money. Whittingham, Jarram and their little set of cronies are waging war on the National Club, basically because most of them either resigned or were thrown out. You'll note Whittingham's attempt at ingratiation by saying what a splendid job she did in raising money for their recent show. That's the same show she dropped out of judging and didn't even bother to attend. (And, yes, Kaye we had a lovely time and raised lots of money). To be honest, they aren't the only ones involved and I doubt if either is the OP. (Textual analysis of that post clearly indicates one of the 'friends', who is already in trouble elsewhere).
The reason for the OP's post is precisely to promulgate her spiteful views. This isn't the first time she's done it. Indeed the whole thing was copied and posted on Facebook (in direct contravention of the rules of this forum). It's quite interesting to read the timelines of the people involved - you can see the mutual congratulations about how clever they've been in attacking other people. There's no reason for it, other than pure spite. It's not about hip-scoring. It's just a few demented women (and a couple of hanger-on men) attempting to justify themselves. If it were about hip scoring then the Kashaella kennels would, of course, be scoring the sires they use, wouldn't they? So, what about "Lorrianford Nectarberry Over Roshinru"? - no, not scored. Or "Kashaella Showgirl"? Their very own bitch. Not scored either. And yet you will find "Kashaella Call Me George" here on PDB! He has, unusually, been scored, despite being bred from unscored parents. Oh, did I not mention that Kashaella is the kennel name of Jarram and Whittingham?
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The reason for the OP's post is precisely to promulgate her spiteful views. This isn't the first time she's done it. Indeed the whole thing was copied and posted on Facebook (in direct contravention of the rules of this forum). It's quite interesting to read the timelines of the people involved - you can see the mutual congratulations about how clever they've been in attacking other people. There's no reason for it, other than pure spite. It's not about hip-scoring. It's just a few demented women (and a couple of hanger-on men) attempting to justify themselves. If it were about hip scoring then the Kashaella kennels would, of course, be scoring the sires they use, wouldn't they? So, what about "Lorrianford Nectarberry Over Roshinru"? - no, not scored. Or "Kashaella Showgirl"? Their very own bitch. Not scored either. And yet you will find "Kashaella Call Me George" here on PDB! He has, unusually, been scored, despite being bred from unscored parents. Oh, did I not mention that Kashaella is the kennel name of Jarram and Whittingham?
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by noddi on 14 August 2013 - 14:08
oh my the knives are surely out now after your cages have been rattled.I suppose i,m included in the merry band of trouble makers.Have u also been peeking at my timeline then MR.ABC??????Wot dirt r u trying to find on me?????I dont give a fig about fallings out with your "National club".......aint anything to do with type ..........but ALL to do with HEALTH ISSUES IN THE GSDS.......Pot calling kettle comes to mind here.........It,s only recently(last few mths/1 yr)that your members????have started hip/elbow scores n we only have to look at the KC breed record supplements to find out who were hip/elbow scoring b4 n for donkeys yrs......AH yes the german side.......n a handful of forward thinking english type breeders who had health foremost instead of type.Yes,we cant guarantee that we wont breed an animal with dysplascia but we do our best by ONLY using hip/elbow scored males/females n IF by chance one does have a high scoring animal regardless of quality then one SHOULD NOT be breeding from that animal.Also if the vet after taking the x rays states that in his opinion the hips look bad/very bad then shouldnt that breeder at least wait till the BVS scores are in b4 mating?????Makes sense to me to wait........but NO .......the alsatian breed campaign spokesperson,altho having discussions with our breed health coordinator still insists that the major health problem in the GSD (worldwide i might add)is THE BACKLINE...........NOT such INHERITED CONDITIONS such as EPILEPSY(100,s of lines to known epileptic producing animals in the english type)........Yes i know there are,have been n will be in the future.......german type dogs as well......but not so many as in the english side as our gene pool is wider.Also is it not true that several ppl have been defriended n blocked on fb.because they have dared to use a german lined male on their english bitches much to yours n certain members of your club disgust.Tbh.wot has it got to do with u?Most ppl.in both camps.....german n english ....know i speak my mind .....i try to be diplomatic,compassionate n non judgemental but sometimes ppl.s egos/ethics get right up my nose........Carole Spelman Rheinmeister gsd .....UK.
by nicoceana on 14 August 2013 - 16:08
So if I am to 'follow' all of this..... 'samjarram' is now spouting about themselves???? thus the person 'using' the samjarram name in vane is not actually Samjarram!!! ?????????????? confused.com
by noddi on 14 August 2013 - 16:08
Nicoceana,The person on this thread using the name samjarram is NOT the real samjarram......its most likely one of the ppl.from the ALSATIAN BREED CAMPAIGN ......who have it in for Sam n other shall we say more forward thinking english type gsd owners/breeders as they have dared to use a male gsd from the german camp.They r trying their upmost to get their type recognised as a new breed of "ALSATIAN".They even have to keep bringing up the issue of DOUBLE HANDLING into the equation......WHY?????that aint got nowt to do with HEALTH ISSUES.......or maybe they do think its an health issue as they c the backline on german animals to be THE MAJOR HEALTH PROBLEM n NOT such inherited diseases as EPILEPSY.....DM.......EPI.........AF which are in my understanding more life threatening than a dogs backline or type........Carole Spelman RHEINMEISTER GSDS .UK.
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