sel destruct/zero self preservation dogs and managing injuries - Page 2

i prodded and pressured the affected area to try find localized pain but nothing. wondering what ED manifests itself, i was thinking a dog throwing its front legs out at weird angles and things just not sitting straight visibly???

How old is this dog?  Are you sure it isn't just pano?

turned 2 in mid may. nothing more i can do on the internet, will get x-rays at some point and post them.

Generally speaking, you can detect a pano episode by wrapping your hand around the center of the long bone[s] of the affected leg, and gently squeezing the area and increasing the pressure until you either get a response from the dog, or you've applied as much direct pressure as you can. In a pano episode, you won't get much pressure applied before the dog pulls away in pain.  An x-ray of that leg at that time will show inflammation of the outer covering of the bone, and a dense area in the center of the bone; it is a growth disorder, what is often called 'growing pains', and not unusual in dogs which are heavy in bone, have a rapid growth rate, or tend to go through major growth 'spurts' as opposed to a measured, rather steady and gradual growth pattern.  There is some thought that feeding high protein diets contributes to the accelerated growth pattern and can tip the scales in favor of pano in dogs that are predisposed to its development. For a technical explanation of the process, complete with radiographs, see here.  vkgsd, at just two years of age, pano is most definitely still on the table; radiographs are in order to confirm that to be the source of the problem, or if there's something else amiss, however, so you're on the correct path for an answer.

thanks, a now to buy a muzzle and prepare for a battle with the vet.

vk4gsd, if you're going to have to go through all that, you might as well just have the vet knock him out and get him x-rayed for OFA cert at the same time.

I had one with radiograph-confirmed pano at 28 months. He was misdiagnosed with CCL injury. There was zero indication of pain from squeezing, regardless of whether I did it or the vet did it. Luckily, it showed up on xray when I went for a second opinion, not believing the ACL/CCL story. Some dogs have very high pain thresholds and they make diagnosis very difficult.