Nasal/Sinus Tumors - Page 2

OH yeah;  we did the same thing as that crap was in everything during those dog years.  There wasn't anything on the market at that time that did not have ethoxoquin in it as I remember trying to find things without it.  It was everywhere; dog cookies/biscuits included.  Anyway thanks for the reminder as to why I am so glad about the raw and except for the  feed our animals now get and out crappy water resource is another concern her diet is much healthier. 

Nan

The Ethoxoquin is still in the food chain....livestock raised for meat, eating feed made higher in protein, to increase growth rate, by adding ANIMAL PROTEIN, preserved with Ethoxoquin.......you're still feeding the stuff in raw, commercially grown meat. Not to mention the herbivores being forced into being cannibals.

First off, Nans, let me say how sorry I am to hear your old gal is experiencing this...I've yet to see a nasal or sinus cavity lesion that had anything other than a terminal outcome, unfortunately, though one can, and should, always have hope.


Secondly, to say, "Real crappers that we fed then and I am sure she is paying for it now in some way like you said.", seems a stretch, given that the dog in question is 14 years, 6 months of age, in a breed where it is not uncommon for us to lose them at 10 years old.  Not to get into a whole raw/processed feeding debate here, but I have to argue that the 'real crappers' you were feeding until about 3 years ago got this gal into her senior years pretty well, after all.  We don't like it, but the fact is that everything dies from something, whether it's just general failing of organs, or reduced resistance to disease or rogue cell production...it doesn't make it any easier to swallow, but it's a basic fact that comes with the package of life.

Third--I've not had the occasion to use VascuStatin to date, but I'd say it's certainly worth trying it; botanical bio-modulators and inhibitors are far more common than most realize, but aren't generally in the forefront of therapies because a company cannot patent a plant property.  A pokeweed mitogen was documented to be effective against malignant oral melenoma by a researcher @ the Univ. of New Mexico's College of Pharmacy, but the work stalled when funding was pulled because there wasn't any money to be made from it. Prescription products similar to VascuStatin, but patentable, are being used to 'starve out' tumors by blocking its ability to create, maintain and enlarge its blood supply network, so I don't see why this couldn't have the same effect.  In humans, VascuStatin has be reported to cause severe headaches as a side effect, so observe your girl carefully for any signs she is having increased discomfort after starting the supplement.  You should also look into feeding her a 'cancer control' diet, one that is high in protein, high in fat, and low in carbohydrates and sugars; this type of feeding regimen will aid in slowing the progression of the neoplasia, as it also helps starve the tumor of what it needs to grow and spread. 

I hope you are able to keep her happy and comfortable for a good long time to come yet; depending on the type of tumor involved, I've seen dogs enjoy a good quality life for three or more years after being diagnosed, but I've also seen them fail rapidly once there are sufficient symptoms to alert an owner that something is wrong.  I wish for you and your girl that the former applies to her.

Thank you Hexe for caring and most importantly for the information.  Have you read anything about Vit C  as far as helping cancer patients.  To take or not to take?  Am curious.  Also the oncologist said these type tumors are extremely painful putting pressure everywhere and said she probably has a hell of a headache already which I can at times see that and she will sort of duck if you go to pet her head.  So am scratching and petting on chest instead.  Also wants her on anti-inflammatory to keep swelling down as much as possible which I am struggling with right now as to what to try on her.  She currently has some arthritis liquid VetionX which is an anti-inflammatory and have kept her on that dose just once per day as well as same company's pain med which has worked for her in the past if say she pulls something or limps for a period of time due to her thinking she is still a puppy.  However, vet (oncologist) did not feel that was going to be enough for her.  added tramadol to the equation a couple of days ago, light dose, now 2 times per day AM/PM.  Can give more of that for pain if I notice her in trouble.

Well that is about the scenario for now.  Thank you in advance for any further information you might be able to pass on.  Nan

I used several herbs, dmso with herbs and actually did nasal flushes (which worked pretty well). Toward the end I opted for pred even though I hate the med, it did work and Chip was on tramadol (50mg twice a day). Right up until I put Chip to sleep, he would run around and act happy but in my heart I knew he was suffering.

Celebrate her life every day. She has done what so many other dogs have not been able to, make it to 14!

Thank you Bhaugh for your information;  Yes she has made it to 14 l/2.  And actually look's really good today;  Tramadol 2 X's per day (I think its 50 mg but not sure) so I can go up if need be VetionX arthritis liquid herbal supplement 2 X's per day in food and the same company's liquid pain med I started her on 2 X's per day in food; both these liquid med's have anti inflammatory properties in an herbal formulation.  Really good stuff without kidney/liver side affects.  Love the stuff.  If I have to get into the stronger doggie med's I may have to change the plan a bit.  Really don't want to go there due to her age, etc.  or if she goes off her food.  Then I know with her she is in trouble.

Really sorry about your goldie;  really love those dogs had  friend that raised and showed them for 30 years;  had awesome temperaments and structure on her dogs and learned to admire greatly the good ones.    Have a great day and hug your dogs;  you just never know do you.  Thx again  Nan

PS:  My girls tumor is between the eyes just slightly about both eye corners is about the size of a quarter that  you can feel BUT behind the boney structure that is in that location.  You really cannot get to it as far as I know for flushing;  so far no bleeding, thank god.N

 

I'm so sorry to hear this Nan, your oh so special golden oldie, I have heard you mention her often.  What amazing an age though, and to have been so very well to enjoy it.........you have been so blessed.  I do hope that you can make her comfortable for a while longer, but also put in balance the fantastic years that you have both had into this and remember that the quality at the end of those years is equally important for you both too. I knew someone years ago whose dog had something similar and used to press her head against furniture obviously to try and relieve the pain. It's so hard when they can't tell us exactly how they feel, and can put up such a good show, it makes our job as carers so much harder.  Good luck with the herbal supplement what a lucky girls you are to have each other.

Thank you Abby Normal;  she's a fighter.  Just hope I can help her with the fight.  Thx again  Nan