Supposed GOOD breeder screwing everyone so far!!! - Page 2

Paul is right I would particularly NOT want that fearful temperament for a working service dog.  I would send him back...  Nan

I would take him back.

Paul and Nans gsd you are right, a pup that flips out like this is not going to cut it as a working dog. When the pup lost his mind at the airport, the breeder should have canceled the sale, given the buyer her money back or a puppy with decent nerve, taken the pup to the vet to make sure it didn't have a medical problem, and sold the pup to a nice quiet home as a pet. I've picked up pups for clients at airports and the pup's reaction there has totally predicted how the pup will be when he grows up.  The pups that calmly or happily walk out of the crate to greet you grow up into dogs with good steady nerve. The panicked shriekers (not the ones that are hollering cause they're eager to get out) have flimsy nerves all their lives. Jello for nerves is the biggest problem I see in GSDs today probably because so many breeders make excuses for it instead of removing the nervebag producers from their breeding stock. I think it's damn cruel not to breed out poor nerve because being a nervebag makes a dogs life so much harder.

Buyer definitely should have checked the breeder out here. She would have avoided a real expensive mistake.

I do not think calling a breeder like von Hayden "Supposed GOOD breeder screwing everyone so far" is fair even if what you have said about the puppy condition and the papers is true, that does not make them "screwing everybody so far".
Questions come to mind:
1. Did you talk to the breeder about the puppy's condition? What did she advise?
2. Did you ask the breeder to replace or take back the puppy? What was her response?

If that description of the puppy's nerves is true I don't think it is wise or justified for a breeder to sell it to no one, not even for a pet or companionship purpose. 

When someone buys a puppy/dog, whether expert or amateur, new in dog world or old, did a proper research or did not, nothing of that justifies or makes it allright for a breeder to cheat him/her. When such a person is cheated we should not equal his/her ignorance to the cheating by the breeder.

Anyone who makes such wild claims against a breeder should be able to prove them, most members here won't accept being taken for a ride.

Ibrahim
 

OP doesn't say how long she has had him and whether he has settled down after hours/days/weeks or whenever or whether he is still going crazy.  Agree he should never have been sent if he was reacting so badly, but there is a real lack of information as to what has happened since, both in terms of the pups development and communication as to what is to be done. If the pup is not right for the situation, why can't she still send him back, is the seller refusing?

When my gsd puppy arrived at the airport he was whining loudly and would not come out of the crate, even for my 6 year old niece who is very girly and not intimidating in the least. Now he is 6 months old but I hope he will not be too soft. He is definitely more soft than my WL Doberman girl, at the airport she went bolting out of the crate and latched onto a woman's pant leg who was walking at 7 1/2 weeks old, and hasn't slowed down much at all now she is 8.  I really hope my gsd will not be to soft, i was hoping to do some kind of sport with him. He was a little afraid of my sheep when he first got in the pasture with them, then realized they are more afraid of him and he is ok with them now. He is friendly with people who he meets so far, I guess I need to take him to downtown  and see how he reacts since we live out in the sticks. He acts more lab like to me(his tail is always wagging, he is goofy and all around friendly) than a working dog who can bite for a living, but hopefully he is just like that around me, otherwise I just paid 1500 for a nice pet

 

MKhalil, you raised good points, thanks for sharing, however I believe in what JonRob said " I've picked up pups for clients at airports and the pup's reaction there has totally predicted how the pup will be when he grows up".

Ibrahim

So, "where is Kansas now",
You come out blasting this breeder, but than fail to reiterate any of the claims you make.
Is this not the same as any of the gripes of this breeder. For all we know, ALL of these gripes about this breeder are from one buyer, that just don't know "jack sh*5 about German Shepherds.
So, unless this person wants to give some facts here, I say just disregard the entire claim.

MKhalil, you need to take your pup everywhere and make sure he has lots of great experiences with people, other dogs, all kinds of animals, new and strange places and things. This is important for any pup but especially one like yours.

If he is timid, bitework is a really bad idea and could turn him into a real liability. But that doesn't mean he can't work. He might make a great herding dog, SAR dog, therapy dog, or assistance dog.  Find out what he loves and is good at and focus on that. Enjoy him for what he is or find him an owner who does.

I've owned dogs for a long lifetime and have gotten some that weren't what I intended to get. I cussed about it, sucked it up, and loved the dogs for what they were. And learned a lot and got some great best canine friends that way.

Life is an unpredictable and strange thing and sometimes the best gifts are the ones we thought we didn't want.

What noises  which scared the pup you are talking about. When you drop a a penny or when you unexpectedly  shoot a double barrel shotgun 24 inches from his head?