Shilo Shepherds - Page 2

I'm not so sure all Shilohs are "mixed". I've seen pedigrees that were 100% GSD's both imports and Am lines (unless that's what you mean by mixed LOL). My first GSD was often mistaken for a Shiloh or a King. He was a 126 lb coat, looked like we weighed a lot more. He was sired by an import out of an AM line bitch. He was never bred of course, but had he been I think he might have produced a few just like him. 4,5 generations of selective breeding can produce some pretty interesting dogs.

here's a question that i guess would stem from the shilo shepard topic. what makes a breed, and what seperates it from a mutt. when does a breed become a breed? is it when the AKC says so? when x number of people own one? Also who here feels that the evolution of the demesticated dog is over. i have no desire to bash the shilo shepard or any other program for that matter, just interested in opinions as to what consititutes a breed

If you're thinking about a breed one can register with AKC, then there's a complicated process of documented selective breeding required. First the foundation breeders need to acquire what they consider typical expamples of the new breed to be used for breeding stock. If, after a specific number of generations, 5 or 6 I think, each dog bred is breeding "true" and producing similar progeny, they are eligible to be exhibited in the miscellaneous class using ILP numbers. After that process of showing in the Misc group is completed the breed is then considered purebred and eligible for AKC registration. I myself would not consider a mixed breed dog to be a "breed" until the breeders attained AKC approval. Very few AKC registered breeds are natural breeds. Most, including the GSD, are "man-made" for lack of a better term. It takes a lot of cooperation between breeders to get a "new" breed registered with AKC. In most cases I know of, the "new" breeds were already in existance (Like Corsos), but they were not AKC approved.

sad to say -- many people think one can mate two dogs ..have a new breed --ultimately to SELL puppies -- in the past our animals ere our life and sustinence whehter they were horses/cows/goats /and yes our lives depended on the canine , one of the only truely domesticated animals .hence .. when a breed come about ..it was very very thoughtful and specific/intense genetic selevtion .. so much so they were a funneling of genotypic and phenotypic traits !! they were to look a certain way/ have specific structure coat as well as a specific genre of behavioral traits-- case in point .. a german shorthaired was to have a specific genotype and phenotype that relatd to hunting .. to point and lead to birds -- the sheepdogs to escort /control withjout eating / and protect the livestock --canines were bred for a specific purpose in mind ..form internally and externally followed function !! and that led to PREDICTABILITY !! shame on those that think two mated dogs -- just produces a whloe new breed -- that should be a felony

Over the course of less than one-hundred (100) years we have managed to separate the GSD breed into two (2) major groups: The Show-Line Type, consisting of: The West German show-line. The East European show-line. The A.K.C. show-line. The Working-Line Type, consisting of: The West German working-line. The East European working-line. Forgive me for using the word "West", but I still think there is enough division in the show-lines that this term is rendered correct in this usage. The Shiloh and the King shepherds represent another diversion from the original dog. Perhaps I went a bit overboard when I used the word "mutt", and may have been incorrect using it to describe one (1) of these two (2) "breeds" as I understand that one (1) of these breeds is produced by continual linebreeding to oversize GSD stock, and the other is produced doing this, as well as crossing the GSD with the periodic introduction of the Malamute. It ticks me (and maybe not all, but many of you) off a bit that our main kennel clubs fail to adhere to the F.C.I. world standard for our dog, but I digress. But, it still "jerks my chain" when such a breed is presented to the public as the type of dog from years past. Very large GSD's do appear sometimes, even from normally-sized parents. We know that the modern F.C.I. standard describes a larger dog than it did say, thirty (30) years ago, and our modern GSD has gained a bit of size due to breeding at the upper end of the conformation standard. I guess that I should be content to know that the market will direct the success of these dogs, and I don't need to purchase one unless I want one. It's just a bit tough for me to accept this as a German Shepherd Dog. Bob-O

Seems like anytime you breed for one primary trait you end up with alot of problems.....

After reading this post all day,seems I've missed the boat. I think I should change my perspective and go to the pounds and select some lovlies and bring them home ,breed them and sit around thinking of names for all my new breeds. I could advertise them as designer dogs. Given enough time I could breed about anything to anything. And in keeping with the German Shepherd ...how about shepherd springer miniture pincher, or collie shepherd doodle ,and the ever popular shep-uaua {shep/chichuaua mix} . Then I will get a website, but I can't call it Mutt Central, so there's got to be some fancy name.Gonna need time to think about that one. Especially since my primary goal here is to give a big name to a mutt and make big bucks .

Design a breed software is next ?? OMG gsdlvr, I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

I can't believe the prices folks get for these "Designer Mutts".

"Designer Mutts" with so many health issues that they live very short lives, many of them filled with pain and suffering, All for this selfish cow to be allowed to call herself the "founder" of some super breed, that is of course we all know not so super !!!!